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you're locked into inception radio

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you're tuned in to night vision radio

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exposing the truth one secret at a time

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prepare yourself as we explore the

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shadow world of suppressed history

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secret knowledge forbidden religion and

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shine a light on the conspiracies to

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I am

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but I mean

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welcome to night vision radio

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hey everybody how are you tonight I'm

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doing fine this week I have to let you

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know right up front that I am operating

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under duress tonight I lost my dog

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sitters at the last minute everybody

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decided to go out and there's absolutely

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no location in my house or on the

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grounds where I get my dogs could be

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that you can't hear them making tons of

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noise so being the Mamas dogs that they

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are they're actually right here with me

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right now they're both crashed out let's

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pray that that stays that way and but if

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you hear strange noises barking howling

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it's not a haunting it's just my dogs

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it's just B's you and Toby so I hope

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you'll hang in there with me with that

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and I apologize in advance if they make

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any em do noises but anyhow tonight I'm

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really excited about the show but first

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I also want to remind you to please go

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to facebook and like night vision radio

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that would help me out very very much

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and also look me up on facebook Renee

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Barnett and friend me if you are

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interested in the subject matter that we

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cover here I often post things that you

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might be interested in on my page and

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you're welcome to share any of that on

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your site as well so when I also remind

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you that I am planning that little trip

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to france in may it's going to be a very

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small tour so if you'd like to get on

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board I'd love for you to contact me on

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facebook we're going to be of course

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hanging out with the inimitable Henry

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Lincoln as well as Jim Wallis Murphy

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who's another best-selling author and

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he's very very well-versed in the

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symbolism and Renaissance art the

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Templars and also all things r endless

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chateau so all you Rennie's please

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contact me and i'll give you the details

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on the trip also planning to go in

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September so if that works better for

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you the sooner you let me know that the

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better that would be also now i'm not

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going to Terry any longer

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because we've got a lot of ground to

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cover with my guest tonight I'm really

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excited and connected with him just

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recently and had some very interesting

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conversations about his work and I hope

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that you will thoroughly enjoy as much

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as I do tonight and welcome Walter

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Bosley hey Walter how are you doing

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great Renee thanks for having me on good

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good and now Walter tonight you've

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written lots of books and your

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background is very very interesting I

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know you have some intelligence

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background and work for the AF OSI and

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in that area and we had an interesting

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conversation about intelligence today

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and I want to bring some of that up a

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little bit later but first I want to

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start out with your series Empire of the

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wheel it's a three book series that

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you've written and today on my Facebook

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page and on the night vision page i

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posted a picture of a particular site

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that everyone was very very interested

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in and very few people guessed that it

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was in the united states which was which

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was kind of interesting but it's it's a

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picture of something called the world

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peace bridge and tower in riverside in

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this site figures prominently in your

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series is that right yes it in Empire

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the wheel three I really get into

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examining this peace tower in this

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bridge site and other aspects of mount

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rubidoux are discussed in my first

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Cabrillo and the Templars and such but

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the site is very interesting indeed in

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thats mount rubidoux here in Southern

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Riverside's right actually it's

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virtually downtown it is technically a

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hill it's you know a few feet hundred or

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so a couple hundred feet short of a

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but close enough and looks enough like a

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mountain and by tradition they call it

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mount rubidoux but it's right there

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downtown and without getting too much

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although that is the latest the latest

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episode I'm wondering could you just

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tell me what led you to this site and

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why you say it's interesting well it's

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interesting both from its history within

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the context of what I've written about

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in the Empire the wheel trilogy and also

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from you know some personal experiences

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which I did finally get around to

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writing about in empire the wheel three

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the nameless ones and how i was

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introduced to this site essentially i've

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the San Bernardino Valley went to high

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valley college in San Bernardino and and

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back and left and such and I had never

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climbed mount rubidoux never made the

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walk up the hill so I had never seen the

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Peace Tower I wasn't even aware of it

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and when I was in my early stage of

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researching the things that would lead

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to Empire the wheel this was before I

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even knew I was going to write a book

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this was before I even discovered the

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mystery of the woman Cora Staunton this

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was when some very odd strange things

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were presenting themselves and I was

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just kind of looking into it from a

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personal interest level well I went out

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to investigate a particular site what's

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known as the citrus park historical

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citrus park it's in riverside and it

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celebrates the citrus industry history

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that's here and i was out there

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what people know them as for a

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researcher a friend of mine sorry and on

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drove over to take a look and I found a

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it's it's one of the sites that's

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explored in this mystery and while

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visiting the quarry I came away it was

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fair it was kind of odd I came way with

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suddenly feeling all my energy just

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draining from me and what were they

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quarrying there what were they this is

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an old quarry that's been my gosh I you

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whatever you call it when you open a

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been dormant for decades and probably as

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far as I know you know just granite

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block that's as far as I've been able in

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my research to find you know the details

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of this quarry but I came away from this

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quarry in the 20-minute drive home I

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could just feel the energy my energy

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just draining out of my body and I felt

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coming down with a cold or the flu or

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something and by that night I had a pain

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stiffening up well I suffered with this

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was a Saturday morning just you know two

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or three days after this had struck me

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and it was it was really bad and but but

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I got the idea that I had to go climb

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mount rubidoux that day because you know

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it was lingering out there in my

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research and I had to go do it anyway

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this condition to drive over there and

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shouldn't have even been driving my card

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because I had to turn my body completely

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to the right just to you know and left

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turn my body completely when I changed

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lanes and just to make sure you know

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there was no oncoming traffic because I

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path lo and behold I came across this

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bridge that you see in the photo that

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you're talking about that you posted on

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wells on your right and across the

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bridge on your left is this stone tower

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and what struck me about the bridge I

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also buddy like that counterterrorism

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days oh sorry about that I'm hearing

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some cutting out but also I wanted to

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let people know that I've just posted

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that picture also in the chat room so if

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you're listening but not joining us in

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the chat room you might want to just hop

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on inception radio network com and

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you'll also see that image right now of

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the Peace Tower that he's talking about

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sorry Walter well that's okay that's

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okay well as I said the thing that

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struck me about this bridge was that I

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in my counterterrorism days I spent some

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time in a little little town called most

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are in Bosnia and most stars most famous

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landmark is what's called the freedom or

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friendship bridge I think it's called

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the friendship bridge and it was

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destroyed during the Bosnian war and

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they rebuilt it and they're real proud

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of it and in fact i'm looking at a frame

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watercolor painting of it that i bought

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in sarajevo years ago hang on my wall

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and in the bridge there the design of

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this bridge on mount rubidoux is very

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similar it's kind of got a peaked center

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you can imagine that for those who are

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looking at the photo and look at the

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mostar bridge as well and and from the

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angle in the painting even there's a

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tower on one end of the most art bridge

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that this resembles greatly the the if

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you're looking north the view of the

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bridge on mount rubidoux with the tower

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to the left and so I saw this and I

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thought wow that just you know that

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reminds me of the most our bridge and I

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thought well I know that Frank Miller

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who you know own this property up here

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and built the mission in had traveled

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the world and I thought well you know

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maybe maybe he built this and he had

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two or one like it so I went up the

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steps and remember I'm my body is stiff

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I mean I'm in pain and I go up these

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steps and I walk across the bridge and I

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go over to the tower and I'm looking at

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the tower and you know standing up there

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I'm kind of touching it as I go around

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because I'm trying to lift myself up a

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foot or so to look in the the entryway

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the little window slotted window and as

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I'm doing this you know I'm looking at

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the tower and and then I noticed

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something and I stopped and I move my

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arms and I turned my head from side to

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side and I realized at the inn in the

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moments that I was standing there at the

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tower touching the tower the pain in my

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shoulder had disappeared and I then the

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stiffness was gone and I had full range

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motion and just a moment before it had

272
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been really bad pain I mean I had been

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taking ibuprofen for it and such and um

274
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so you know all of a sudden you went to

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the glory and you really you know i got

276
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like I yeah I got the problem and where

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crime is yeah the quarry drained me and

278
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gave me this issue and then the tower

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kind of cured it well now what was the

280
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time frame there this interestingly

281
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enough this was the week leading up to

282
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Christmas of 2007 and when you went to

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the quarry then how long was it before

284
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you made your way over to the tower was

285
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it how it was three days now here's what

286
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three days later so all these three days

287
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you feel miserable yeah I suffered this

288
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now here's a little part that I share

289
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privately with people that I don't think

290
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that I've ever said this an interview

291
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before excuse me if I have did we have a

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night vision exclusive here yeah when

293
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you read my books you'll find that

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Hecate the goddess Hecate is at the

295
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center of all of this mystery and I I

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had learned I had met her

297
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come across her in her form of st.

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Catherine of Alexandria and there's a

299
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chapter in Empire the wheel one where

300
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Rick Spence and I present the evidence

301
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that there was no such person as st.

302
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Catherine of Alexandria she was a

303
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syncretic fabrication based upon Hypatia

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of Alexandria and the goddess Hecate and

305
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she was syncretic so that the pagans

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that the church at the time you know

307
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were ruling over could go ahead and

308
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continue Hecate worship but you know

309
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they could call her you know by the name

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of a Catholic saint so st. Catherine of

311
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Alexandria as such never existed it's

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all fake now here's the interesting

313
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thing when I was over at the citrus park

314
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there was a little rose garden there and

315
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I SAT for a time on the bench and

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looking at the roses and kicking back

317
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and the whole Saint Catherine thing had

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emerged in my research and so as I'm

319
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sitting there smart aleck that I can be

320
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in my research um I okay Catherine show

321
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me something well um I got up I went to

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my car and as I was driving to go back

323
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to the freeway I hit Victoria Boulevard

324
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and and it just dawned on me I think

325
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I'll turn on Victoria Boulevard I won't

326
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take the freeway and so I continued on

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Victoria Boulevard and I'm driving along

328
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and I turn and I look and there's this

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hill in this community notice the the

330
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hills here the mountains um and I say

331
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you know what I think I'll go take a

332
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look at this hill look around there and

333
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I Drive around and I find some

334
00:16:12,970 --> 00:16:09,950
interesting things and then I found the

335
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quarry so basically all that to say I

336
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told I asked Catherine Hecate to show me

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something and she did she took me to the

338
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quarry and she gave me a little

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experience and then um later on things

340
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led me to the tower you know to heal

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what the quarry had demonstrated for me

342
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and um you know know what I was looking

343
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at some representations of Hecate after

344
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you know delving into some of your

345
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research

346
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in preparation for the show and I found

347
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certainly one representation of her I

348
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have seen those I think I want to say in

349
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statuary in in London but also there was

350
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one representation that looked very very

351
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curiously like the Statue of Liberty

352
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uh-huh yes which I thought was really

353
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interesting which of course was a gift

354
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from the French and then I also of

355
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course you know couldn't help but note

356
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that you know rubidoux is a French name

357
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so I just you know my conspiratorial my

358
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studying crazy but you will really like

359
00:17:29,110 --> 00:17:26,589
empire the wheel three because I

360
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absolutely analyze the name rubidoux

361
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from the French III was on to that too I

362
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realized wait a minute there's something

363
00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:38,990
French going on here and I do get into

364
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that in the third the third book is the

365
00:17:47,580 --> 00:17:44,900
linguistic breakdown of rubidoux and how

366
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it could very well have be named

367
00:17:53,950 --> 00:17:51,080
something uh French related which is

368
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arian staying in our context right yeah

369
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I absolutely is now you know you you had

370
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this sort of dr. possessed a position of

371
00:18:07,360 --> 00:18:04,179
this quarry and it's sort of bad mojo

372
00:18:09,490 --> 00:18:07,370
bad energy or whatever it it was

373
00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:09,500
negative energy will not say bad and

374
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then okay that's that's very good and

375
00:18:19,810 --> 00:18:16,040
then on the other hand now where were

376
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these located from each other I mean did

377
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you feel like you know you had been sort

378
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of presented with these polar opposites

379
00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:28,990
uh-huh yes I mean there seems to be in

380
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the occult in in these mysteries that

381
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you know all of us or so are so much

382
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into there seems to be a lot of

383
00:18:43,360 --> 00:18:41,420
mirroring and a lot of duality yeah you

384
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have the dark and the light in the

385
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Piazza negative exactly and what you've

386
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got is think about it you've got a tower

387
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on a mountain which is a high point and

388
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then you got a hole in the ground which

389
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is what a core is and certainly this one

390
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and the opposite again yeah yeah so

391
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there's the

392
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the hole in the ground brought me down

393
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and and you know left me stricken so to

394
00:19:09,370 --> 00:19:06,799
speak the tower on the hill brought me

395
00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:09,380
up and healed me and and you know here's

396
00:19:13,539 --> 00:19:11,330
the thing my whole life isn't full of

397
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these episodes you get two of those out

398
00:19:18,850 --> 00:19:15,710
of me you get this one and the one in

399
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South America I had kind of a more

400
00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:21,650
milder healing while at all untie tambo

401
00:19:27,250 --> 00:19:23,690
on a trip with david childress in the

402
00:19:29,230 --> 00:19:27,260
world explorers club in 2003 and you

403
00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:29,240
know those are the two experiences I've

404
00:19:37,930 --> 00:19:33,970
had with location and physical healing

405
00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:37,940
hmm now what was that what were you do

406
00:19:42,909 --> 00:19:41,090
you want to talk about that at all what

407
00:19:45,659 --> 00:19:42,919
was your seminar where yeah yeah

408
00:19:48,159 --> 00:19:45,669
basically I was on the trip and

409
00:19:50,740 --> 00:19:48,169
everybody kind of had the ick it was

410
00:19:51,970 --> 00:19:50,750
early in the trip kind of everybody we'd

411
00:19:54,039 --> 00:19:51,980
been there long enough where everybody

412
00:19:57,070 --> 00:19:54,049
was feeling kind of a to varying degrees

413
00:20:01,779 --> 00:19:57,080
and that was the day that I was going to

414
00:20:04,419 --> 00:20:01,789
stay back at the the lodging and not go

415
00:20:05,919 --> 00:20:04,429
up to the site of the ancient city a

416
00:20:08,470 --> 00:20:05,929
toll on ty tambo it's on the road

417
00:20:09,610 --> 00:20:08,480
dementia picchu from Cusco and I was not

418
00:20:11,020 --> 00:20:09,620
going to go up and at the last minute

419
00:20:13,180 --> 00:20:11,030
they said you know what I've come this

420
00:20:15,159 --> 00:20:13,190
far I paid for this trip you know I

421
00:20:17,250 --> 00:20:15,169
Walter get off your butt and you know go

422
00:20:22,419 --> 00:20:17,260
up the hill just cuz you feel icky and

423
00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:22,429
so I went I made the walk there and I

424
00:20:27,669 --> 00:20:25,850
noticed as you know we were at the top I

425
00:20:31,419 --> 00:20:27,679
noticed all of a sudden the ick feeling

426
00:20:33,669 --> 00:20:31,429
was gone and my headache was gone and I

427
00:20:37,299 --> 00:20:33,679
felt great I felt full of energy and

428
00:20:39,130 --> 00:20:37,309
then as we came back down you know my

429
00:20:42,190 --> 00:20:39,140
energy kind of went down a little bit

430
00:20:44,680 --> 00:20:42,200
but I never felt as icky so to speak

431
00:20:47,260 --> 00:20:44,690
again for the rest of the trip hmm I

432
00:20:50,500 --> 00:20:47,270
fact it was pretty fine the rest of the

433
00:20:52,390 --> 00:20:50,510
trip except the altitude at Cusco was

434
00:20:55,270 --> 00:20:52,400
given me a giving all of us headaches in

435
00:21:02,470 --> 00:20:55,280
fact I remember paying the pan flute

436
00:21:07,490 --> 00:21:02,480
trio to not play for us I hate them i

437
00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:07,500
paid them not to play oh look i'm sad

438
00:21:12,710 --> 00:21:10,290
and oh yeah okay they got paid well yeah

439
00:21:16,490 --> 00:21:12,720
I'm sure that was fine paid not to work

440
00:21:18,890 --> 00:21:16,500
so that's cool um now you mentioned ley

441
00:21:20,270 --> 00:21:18,900
lines and I know that's a misnomer I

442
00:21:22,430 --> 00:21:20,280
read that in your work and you're

443
00:21:25,250 --> 00:21:22,440
absolutely right because they both mean

444
00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:25,260
the same thing that's another double

445
00:21:32,300 --> 00:21:26,610
though you know which is kind of

446
00:21:36,620 --> 00:21:32,310
interesting but how to lay lines figure

447
00:21:40,100 --> 00:21:36,630
into this side and the quarry into the

448
00:21:44,360 --> 00:21:40,110
Peace Tower in the quarry well there is

449
00:21:46,460 --> 00:21:44,370
a you know this energy I i I've been

450
00:21:50,330 --> 00:21:46,470
calling it to lurk current button I

451
00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:50,340
might be revising that based on some

452
00:21:56,710 --> 00:21:54,330
recent conversations with another

453
00:22:01,670 --> 00:21:56,720
researcher that I'm close friends with

454
00:22:05,030 --> 00:22:01,680
because I think we've we've we've come

455
00:22:06,470 --> 00:22:05,040
to a better way to identify this energy

456
00:22:08,690 --> 00:22:06,480
but for the purposes of keeping it

457
00:22:10,100 --> 00:22:08,700
simple you know most people refer to it

458
00:22:12,110 --> 00:22:10,110
as ley lines or you know I've been

459
00:22:16,130 --> 00:22:12,120
calling it to alert current there there

460
00:22:20,300 --> 00:22:16,140
is the Empire the wheel books describe

461
00:22:22,310 --> 00:22:20,310
and present this world grid energy

462
00:22:24,050 --> 00:22:22,320
that's to lure current ley line stuff as

463
00:22:25,370 --> 00:22:24,060
it's laid out in the Inland Empire

464
00:22:27,830 --> 00:22:25,380
specifically the san bernardino valley

465
00:22:31,900 --> 00:22:27,840
and riverside and these sites are

466
00:22:34,220 --> 00:22:31,910
connected to a very interesting

467
00:22:37,870 --> 00:22:34,230
configuration of this energy which says

468
00:22:43,060 --> 00:22:37,880
hurry thinks is actually an artificial

469
00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:43,070
configuration that was created by

470
00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:46,410
certain things done on certain sites and

471
00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:49,290
this configuration is in the shape of a

472
00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:53,730
butterfly or a moth in each one of those

473
00:22:58,940 --> 00:22:56,970
have interesting you know connotations

474
00:23:01,250 --> 00:22:58,950
when you think of you know butterflies

475
00:23:03,860 --> 00:23:01,260
in general with you know kind of what

476
00:23:05,930 --> 00:23:03,870
we're talking about here and you know

477
00:23:08,660 --> 00:23:05,940
the whole Mothman thing as well but

478
00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:08,670
they're up and i have a map of this and

479
00:23:17,030 --> 00:23:14,210
it's it's in the books mount rubidoux is

480
00:23:20,770 --> 00:23:17,040
connected to this configuration and the

481
00:23:23,510 --> 00:23:20,780
quarry is also it's part of

482
00:23:27,020 --> 00:23:23,520
this configuration so you have this

483
00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:27,030
energy flowing and then you've got some

484
00:23:34,220 --> 00:23:29,610
Fibonacci spiral equity going on there

485
00:23:35,659 --> 00:23:34,230
down the ridge of rubidoux which it's

486
00:23:38,539 --> 00:23:35,669
kind of interesting now the quarry is

487
00:23:41,120 --> 00:23:38,549
located south of the southern end of

488
00:23:43,789 --> 00:23:41,130
mount rubidoux in mount rubidoux kinda

489
00:23:45,710 --> 00:23:43,799
it's ridge runs north north south with a

490
00:23:49,159 --> 00:23:45,720
curve of course going into the Northeast

491
00:23:53,419 --> 00:23:49,169
but the energy that would flip flip that

492
00:23:55,730 --> 00:23:53,429
I say flows through the mountain it

493
00:23:58,610 --> 00:23:55,740
either it either flows from north to the

494
00:24:01,340 --> 00:23:58,620
south into the quarry or you know would

495
00:24:03,919 --> 00:24:01,350
flow from the quarry into the north

496
00:24:08,750 --> 00:24:03,929
whatever I haven't worked those details

497
00:24:11,450 --> 00:24:08,760
out yet but there is a line there that

498
00:24:13,460 --> 00:24:11,460
the way it curves would suggest that

499
00:24:16,970 --> 00:24:13,470
there is an energy flow or the quarry

500
00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:16,980
might actually been an attempt to tap

501
00:24:21,020 --> 00:24:19,770
into this energy flow hmmm because the

502
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:21,030
40 of course is an artificial

503
00:24:27,350 --> 00:24:24,090
construction you mentioned by bonacci

504
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:27,360
spiral how does that figure in how does

505
00:24:39,409 --> 00:24:34,730
that manifest how do you see that it end

506
00:24:42,380 --> 00:24:39,419
it's interesting there you can lay the

507
00:24:45,740 --> 00:24:42,390
phy Bonacci spiral in downtown Riverside

508
00:24:47,710 --> 00:24:45,750
with it with the the interior beginning

509
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:47,720
you know how if you start at the inner

510
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:50,730
starting point of the spiral not the

511
00:24:55,580 --> 00:24:53,250
outer part but the inner part if you

512
00:24:57,890 --> 00:24:55,590
place it at the Hecate shrine that I've

513
00:24:59,990 --> 00:24:57,900
found blatantly out in the open and

514
00:25:05,180 --> 00:25:00,000
downtown Riverside and it's been there

515
00:25:07,970 --> 00:25:05,190
for like over a century if used if you

516
00:25:10,490 --> 00:25:07,980
lay the spiral that if you lay the

517
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:10,500
starting point there set the starting

518
00:25:17,360 --> 00:25:14,850
point there there is an angle of the

519
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:17,370
spiral at which it goes through these

520
00:25:22,039 --> 00:25:19,770
interesting sites that I talk about in

521
00:25:25,159 --> 00:25:22,049
the book and then eventually goes down

522
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:25,169
the spine of mount rubidoux and down to

523
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:30,210
the quarry you have to if if when you

524
00:25:33,260 --> 00:25:32,970
read the books you'll you'll see what I

525
00:25:36,290 --> 00:25:33,270
mean

526
00:25:38,180 --> 00:25:36,300
by the various sites but it's just one

527
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:38,190
of the aspects the whole thing isn't

528
00:25:43,130 --> 00:25:40,890
hinged on the Fibonacci spiral it's just

529
00:25:45,950 --> 00:25:43,140
that you can find that in there the

530
00:25:49,010 --> 00:25:45,960
whole thing actually the I think and

531
00:25:52,430 --> 00:25:49,020
setia I and others think that this this

532
00:25:55,130 --> 00:25:52,440
butterfly configuration of energy is

533
00:25:59,810 --> 00:25:55,140
even more important than any saganaki

534
00:26:02,840 --> 00:25:59,820
spiral you could lay down well it seems

535
00:26:05,090 --> 00:26:02,850
to you know again I mean it seems like

536
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:05,100
every time we start uncovering things

537
00:26:10,940 --> 00:26:07,890
whether it be in Europe whether it be

538
00:26:13,190 --> 00:26:10,950
with our founding fathers whether it be

539
00:26:15,500 --> 00:26:13,200
with the Knights Templar it seems like

540
00:26:20,530 --> 00:26:15,510
at the heart of it you always get down

541
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:20,540
to to some form of goddess worship um

542
00:26:31,790 --> 00:26:25,650
you often do yes you do often do you're

543
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:31,800
absolutely right there but there's also

544
00:26:39,350 --> 00:26:35,730
as I talked about in empire the wheel 3

545
00:26:43,660 --> 00:26:39,360
the nameless ones there's also a

546
00:26:47,660 --> 00:26:43,670
cathodic entity which enters the picture

547
00:26:50,810 --> 00:26:47,670
and you might could say maybe it's a

548
00:26:56,090 --> 00:26:50,820
versus thing the goddess worshippers

549
00:26:58,280 --> 00:26:56,100
versus the Cthulhu worshippers mm-hmm so

550
00:26:59,750 --> 00:26:58,290
you know it all depends on which

551
00:27:02,510 --> 00:26:59,760
civilization or which hidden

552
00:27:06,530 --> 00:27:02,520
civilization which hidden culture you're

553
00:27:10,220 --> 00:27:06,540
talking about yeah because you know

554
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:10,230
Hecate is a major theme in definitely in

555
00:27:14,210 --> 00:27:12,210
the first book and with what I've laid

556
00:27:17,210 --> 00:27:14,220
out in these three books in the third

557
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:17,220
book the other entity it behind a lot of

558
00:27:23,120 --> 00:27:21,210
the stuff emerges wow it's really

559
00:27:25,550 --> 00:27:23,130
interesting especially to find you know

560
00:27:27,110 --> 00:27:25,560
that it's right here in my backyard in

561
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:27,120
Southern California I got to get down

562
00:27:32,180 --> 00:27:29,970
there well you know what we we've we've

563
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:32,190
made it through the first half hour the

564
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:34,530
dogs are still asleep we're still good

565
00:27:38,780 --> 00:27:36,090
to go and we're going to take a quick

566
00:27:41,450 --> 00:27:38,790
break and we'll be back in just a moment

567
00:28:11,520 --> 00:27:41,460
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612
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613
00:31:07,130 --> 00:31:04,700
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614
00:31:11,149 --> 00:31:07,140
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615
00:31:13,250 --> 00:31:11,159
our guest tonight is altered Bosley he's

616
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:13,260
the author of a series of books called

617
00:31:19,340 --> 00:31:15,450
empire of the wheel which are just

618
00:31:22,220 --> 00:31:19,350
extremely fascinating and very riveting

619
00:31:25,970 --> 00:31:22,230
so we've been talking about a location

620
00:31:28,850 --> 00:31:25,980
in Southern California and or in and

621
00:31:32,630 --> 00:31:28,860
about riverside california i guess call

622
00:31:36,289 --> 00:31:32,640
the world peace bridge and tower that

623
00:31:38,419 --> 00:31:36,299
has some strange connections for for

624
00:31:42,230 --> 00:31:38,429
Walter himself personally when he had

625
00:31:45,799 --> 00:31:42,240
some experiences going to a nearby

626
00:31:49,010 --> 00:31:45,809
quarry and then later visiting this site

627
00:31:51,980 --> 00:31:49,020
that he's explained for us now we were

628
00:31:54,919 --> 00:31:51,990
talking a little bit before the break

629
00:31:57,769 --> 00:31:54,929
about the whole goddess aspect of things

630
00:32:01,970 --> 00:31:57,779
and it doesn't seem like the goddess

631
00:32:05,570 --> 00:32:01,980
worship thing does seem to turn up quite

632
00:32:10,010 --> 00:32:05,580
a bit in when you start digging through

633
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:10,020
these things and I wonder you know if if

634
00:32:14,510 --> 00:32:12,570
you see that connection or is that just

635
00:32:17,090 --> 00:32:14,520
something I'm just seizing on because it

636
00:32:19,970 --> 00:32:17,100
you know kind of fits into the things

637
00:32:21,500 --> 00:32:19,980
that I'm into don't know absolutely

638
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:21,510
there's a goddess connection like I said

639
00:32:27,470 --> 00:32:24,450
I discovered a blatant what I call a

640
00:32:28,850 --> 00:32:27,480
Hecate shrine in downtown riverside and

641
00:32:30,590 --> 00:32:28,860
there's what's interesting i had been

642
00:32:33,529 --> 00:32:30,600
i'd been investigating this stuff i've

643
00:32:35,299 --> 00:32:33,539
been researching it and i myself was

644
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:35,309
into this stuff for two or three years

645
00:32:41,210 --> 00:32:37,770
before i even happened to look up on a

646
00:32:43,909 --> 00:32:41,220
corner one day that i had investigated

647
00:32:46,730 --> 00:32:43,919
before and and just my jaw dropped

648
00:32:49,190 --> 00:32:46,740
because i'm looking at this going oh my

649
00:32:52,159 --> 00:32:49,200
i started laughing am i cannot believe

650
00:32:55,909 --> 00:32:52,169
this there she is right there and that's

651
00:32:59,810 --> 00:32:55,919
in that's in the books as well in the

652
00:33:02,389 --> 00:32:59,820
third book yeah did you did you find out

653
00:33:05,149 --> 00:33:02,399
anything about how you know the the

654
00:33:08,630 --> 00:33:05,159
origination of that statue came to be

655
00:33:11,740 --> 00:33:08,640
there who was behind it all i found is

656
00:33:14,660 --> 00:33:11,750
the architect of the building and

657
00:33:16,700 --> 00:33:14,670
again like I said that I I'm it's it's

658
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:16,710
not olmsted it was a very well known

659
00:33:22,670 --> 00:33:18,210
here it's a very well-known architect at

660
00:33:26,030 --> 00:33:22,680
the time civic type of designer and he

661
00:33:29,390 --> 00:33:26,040
designed the building I think it was

662
00:33:32,390 --> 00:33:29,400
built in 1903 or 1908 I'm getting a

663
00:33:35,270 --> 00:33:32,400
getting it mixed up there and it was

664
00:33:38,060 --> 00:33:35,280
just you know superficially it's

665
00:33:41,870 --> 00:33:38,070
supposed to just represent you know the

666
00:33:46,610 --> 00:33:41,880
the the the civic ideal and someone

667
00:33:51,670 --> 00:33:46,620
might say industry but you have what you

668
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:51,680
have on this particular corner is our

669
00:34:00,050 --> 00:33:57,330
three female figures the central one is

670
00:34:02,390 --> 00:34:00,060
the one that is the helmeted standing

671
00:34:05,090 --> 00:34:02,400
one and then there's one on each side of

672
00:34:09,380 --> 00:34:05,100
her and at her feet is the big is a big

673
00:34:12,380 --> 00:34:09,390
wheel like a gear wheel now st.

674
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:12,390
Catherine of Alexandria is known as st.

675
00:34:16,370 --> 00:34:15,210
Catherine of the wheel and this was one

676
00:34:18,260 --> 00:34:16,380
of the first things that led me to

677
00:34:21,490 --> 00:34:18,270
wonder hey isn't this Hecate because

678
00:34:25,700 --> 00:34:21,500
Hecate is very symbol is the wheel and

679
00:34:29,390 --> 00:34:25,710
and Hecate is the triple aspect goddess

680
00:34:32,240 --> 00:34:29,400
and she's often depicted as three female

681
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:32,250
figures so here you have the the three

682
00:34:39,410 --> 00:34:34,530
female figures with this big wheel at

683
00:34:41,210 --> 00:34:39,420
the the center of it all that's what's

684
00:34:42,830 --> 00:34:41,220
interesting is on another corner the

685
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:42,840
same building you've got the female

686
00:34:47,810 --> 00:34:45,810
figures but they don't have a wheel in

687
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:47,820
front of that's the only corner with the

688
00:34:54,230 --> 00:34:50,370
wheel now here's what's interesting the

689
00:34:58,700 --> 00:34:54,240
corner that that's on is where setia

690
00:35:00,680 --> 00:34:58,710
read my geomorphology analyst had prior

691
00:35:05,660 --> 00:35:00,690
to mind it now now this is important

692
00:35:07,850 --> 00:35:05,670
prior to my discovery of this statuary

693
00:35:10,850 --> 00:35:07,860
on the building setia area already

694
00:35:14,330 --> 00:35:10,860
provided me with a map that shows the

695
00:35:15,860 --> 00:35:14,340
intersection of several lines which look

696
00:35:17,210 --> 00:35:15,870
you know you draw a circle around the

697
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:17,220
intersection what do you gotta spoked

698
00:35:23,450 --> 00:35:20,810
wheel the intersection of these lines

699
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:23,460
it's the biggest intersection of dopple

700
00:35:27,140 --> 00:35:25,170
lines in Riverside

701
00:35:29,150 --> 00:35:27,150
is right there at that intersection that

702
00:35:32,539 --> 00:35:29,160
this statuary on the corner of the

703
00:35:35,660 --> 00:35:32,549
building is facing that and some other

704
00:35:37,910 --> 00:35:35,670
things right there I spell out in the

705
00:35:41,210 --> 00:35:37,920
book and proposed in the book identify

706
00:35:45,260 --> 00:35:41,220
this as a shrine to Hecate for those who

707
00:35:46,670 --> 00:35:45,270
see and understand now you know there's

708
00:35:48,500 --> 00:35:46,680
always going to be those people that I

709
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:48,510
don't see it i don't i don't make the

710
00:35:53,180 --> 00:35:51,690
connection ok that's fine but those what

711
00:35:55,849 --> 00:35:53,190
i mean by those who see and understand

712
00:35:58,190 --> 00:35:55,859
or if you know the heck of tail or right

713
00:35:59,329 --> 00:35:58,200
you're going to see all of this stuff

714
00:36:01,940 --> 00:35:59,339
and you're going to recognize it

715
00:36:04,609 --> 00:36:01,950
immediately now dolly it could be an

716
00:36:06,799 --> 00:36:04,619
accident or could it be that you know

717
00:36:09,530 --> 00:36:06,809
the people who designed this stuff you

718
00:36:12,349 --> 00:36:09,540
know happen to be into this lore and

719
00:36:17,750 --> 00:36:12,359
maybe they understand you know how it

720
00:36:20,740 --> 00:36:17,760
works on the public psyche now it's

721
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:20,750
there for whatever reason I know that

722
00:36:29,049 --> 00:36:23,490
there's a huge murder mystery that's

723
00:36:31,339 --> 00:36:29,059
that's in involved in this series and

724
00:36:35,359 --> 00:36:31,349
can you talk a little bit about the

725
00:36:39,230 --> 00:36:35,369
murders and and then I have a couple

726
00:36:43,609 --> 00:36:39,240
questions about that sorry go ahead sure

727
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:43,619
in well all but one of them were in the

728
00:36:53,020 --> 00:36:47,490
autumn of 1915 the first I call them

729
00:36:56,109 --> 00:36:53,030
mysterious deaths because they're

730
00:36:58,549 --> 00:36:56,119
publicly written about as suicides I

731
00:37:00,620 --> 00:36:58,559
don't think that we were talking about

732
00:37:03,530 --> 00:37:00,630
suicides here of course and and we get

733
00:37:06,609 --> 00:37:03,540
into that in the books but the first

734
00:37:11,780 --> 00:37:06,619
mysterious death would have been in

735
00:37:14,559 --> 00:37:11,790
probably August of 1915 but his body the

736
00:37:17,180 --> 00:37:14,569
remains were not found until November so

737
00:37:20,180 --> 00:37:17,190
that's what places him in the milieu of

738
00:37:22,670 --> 00:37:20,190
these strange these six other strange

739
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:22,680
deaths that occurred within weeks or

740
00:37:29,660 --> 00:37:26,130
days of each other in 1915 next one was

741
00:37:33,349 --> 00:37:29,670
in mid-october it was allegedly a

742
00:37:37,309 --> 00:37:33,359
boating accident on baldwin lake which

743
00:37:38,779 --> 00:37:37,319
is dry now and i think has been pretty

744
00:37:42,979 --> 00:37:38,789
thoroughly dry for

745
00:37:47,089 --> 00:37:42,989
a few decades I think and then the the

746
00:37:50,269 --> 00:37:47,099
remaining five two small children a

747
00:37:53,630 --> 00:37:50,279
fourteen-year-old girl and two other

748
00:37:55,579 --> 00:37:53,640
adults those happen within just days of

749
00:38:00,199 --> 00:37:55,589
each other in some cases in just a few

750
00:38:05,630 --> 00:38:00,209
weeks span early early November middle

751
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:05,640
November in early December and um and

752
00:38:09,019 --> 00:38:07,650
what were the apparent causes of those

753
00:38:12,890 --> 00:38:09,029
deaths where did they say they were

754
00:38:15,829 --> 00:38:12,900
suicide also well the the claim is that

755
00:38:17,929 --> 00:38:15,839
three of the adults the woman found in

756
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:17,939
the lake it was known as who was

757
00:38:25,029 --> 00:38:19,890
identified under the name Cora Staunton

758
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:25,039
that she was a suicide the last death a

759
00:38:30,529 --> 00:38:28,410
man named Percival braids from Redlands

760
00:38:33,829 --> 00:38:30,539
was allegedly a suicide and the first

761
00:38:35,569 --> 00:38:33,839
death was allegedly of suicide the man

762
00:38:39,469 --> 00:38:35,579
on the lake was allegedly an accident

763
00:38:42,799 --> 00:38:39,479
and what's interesting is the two small

764
00:38:45,169 --> 00:38:42,809
children were even identified as having

765
00:38:46,939 --> 00:38:45,179
been given poison candy but no

766
00:38:49,849 --> 00:38:46,949
perpetrator was identified the parents

767
00:38:52,339 --> 00:38:49,859
were cleared and the press at the time

768
00:38:54,499 --> 00:38:52,349
seemed more concerned about the suicidal

769
00:38:56,899 --> 00:38:54,509
woman in the lake then they were about

770
00:38:59,120 --> 00:38:56,909
the possibility that a man was running

771
00:39:00,919 --> 00:38:59,130
around giving children poison candy it's

772
00:39:02,839 --> 00:39:00,929
really strange when you read the

773
00:39:05,870 --> 00:39:02,849
newspaper articles and then the

774
00:39:09,109 --> 00:39:05,880
fourteen-year-old she ate a piece of

775
00:39:10,819 --> 00:39:09,119
poisoned fruit the toxin they were never

776
00:39:13,099 --> 00:39:10,829
able to identify now some people would

777
00:39:19,459 --> 00:39:13,109
say well that's 1915 well I Got News for

778
00:39:21,859 --> 00:39:19,469
You in 1915 forensic chemistry yeah

779
00:39:24,939 --> 00:39:21,869
chemistry was more advanced than people

780
00:39:28,370 --> 00:39:24,949
might assume it was in 1915 and

781
00:39:30,409 --> 00:39:28,380
poisoning was probably one of I think

782
00:39:34,729 --> 00:39:30,419
was the most popular method of murder

783
00:39:37,399 --> 00:39:34,739
back then the the fact is the labs back

784
00:39:41,299 --> 00:39:37,409
then could were very good at identifying

785
00:39:44,499 --> 00:39:41,309
toxins and poisons but the poison used

786
00:39:47,890 --> 00:39:44,509
to kill the fourteen-year-old girl and

787
00:39:51,319 --> 00:39:47,900
the two small children went unidentified

788
00:39:52,490 --> 00:39:51,329
they knew that it was a toxin in the

789
00:39:54,530 --> 00:39:52,500
candy in the fruit

790
00:39:57,530 --> 00:39:54,540
they knew that that's what killed these

791
00:39:59,330 --> 00:39:57,540
kids but they were unable to identify it

792
00:40:00,980 --> 00:39:59,340
was one they had never encountered now

793
00:40:03,980 --> 00:40:00,990
the book goes into the implications of

794
00:40:06,950 --> 00:40:03,990
that and yeah I could see why you would

795
00:40:09,860 --> 00:40:06,960
tie in those three poisoning deaths and

796
00:40:13,340 --> 00:40:09,870
say okay these social beings these could

797
00:40:16,300 --> 00:40:13,350
have been linked and murder for sure how

798
00:40:19,100 --> 00:40:16,310
did you connect the the other murders

799
00:40:23,210 --> 00:40:19,110
together and what is it that you

800
00:40:26,180 --> 00:40:23,220
actually started turning up that that

801
00:40:30,860 --> 00:40:26,190
you think happened well here's accident

802
00:40:33,170 --> 00:40:30,870
suicide right etc well the the first

803
00:40:35,210 --> 00:40:33,180
victim was his remains which were

804
00:40:40,820 --> 00:40:35,220
described mummified beyond recognition

805
00:40:43,310 --> 00:40:40,830
and ghastly he was found kneeling on his

806
00:40:50,690 --> 00:40:43,320
knees with a bullet wound through his

807
00:40:54,140 --> 00:40:50,700
head and the gun nearby hmm and the last

808
00:40:56,870 --> 00:40:54,150
victim the man was also he was found in

809
00:40:59,230 --> 00:40:56,880
his bed in his house in redlands and he

810
00:41:02,630 --> 00:40:59,240
had allegedly shot himself in the head

811
00:41:04,220 --> 00:41:02,640
with a gun which by the way just a

812
00:41:09,170 --> 00:41:04,230
couple of months before was known to

813
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:09,180
have been in a police station and had

814
00:41:17,750 --> 00:41:14,490
been used in a suicide prior to his so

815
00:41:20,240 --> 00:41:17,760
how do you again with interest exactly

816
00:41:22,310 --> 00:41:20,250
well he was a law student and he was an

817
00:41:23,630 --> 00:41:22,320
accountant and such so he might had

818
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:23,640
access to the office but it's

819
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:26,130
interesting that you know he allegedly

820
00:41:29,990 --> 00:41:27,930
used the same gun on himself there were

821
00:41:31,850 --> 00:41:30,000
other people in the house when he shot

822
00:41:34,190 --> 00:41:31,860
himself in the head now yeah they found

823
00:41:36,950 --> 00:41:34,200
a pillow over his head but you know a

824
00:41:40,220 --> 00:41:36,960
gun report you know it's merely under a

825
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:40,230
pillow it it would be kind of odd that

826
00:41:47,900 --> 00:41:46,050
no one else in the house heard it um the

827
00:41:53,180 --> 00:41:47,910
one thing that ties all the victims

828
00:41:57,220 --> 00:41:53,190
together is that their their their

829
00:41:59,990 --> 00:41:57,230
deaths occurred they were they died in

830
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:00,000
association with this tool er current in

831
00:42:05,030 --> 00:42:02,010
other words there was there was there

832
00:42:05,609 --> 00:42:05,040
were configurations or lines of telluric

833
00:42:09,660 --> 00:42:05,619
current

834
00:42:15,509 --> 00:42:09,670
going through the areas where they were

835
00:42:17,039 --> 00:42:15,519
found or where they died for instance

836
00:42:18,450 --> 00:42:17,049
Lee you know like the children of course

837
00:42:23,220 --> 00:42:18,460
they didn't die immediately they

838
00:42:25,499 --> 00:42:23,230
lingered on and so there is there is

839
00:42:28,049 --> 00:42:25,509
this to lurk configuration this world

840
00:42:30,329 --> 00:42:28,059
grid energy this earth energy that is

841
00:42:33,599 --> 00:42:30,339
directly geographically associated with

842
00:42:35,460 --> 00:42:33,609
these seven deaths but I suggest to you

843
00:42:39,180 --> 00:42:35,470
then in terms of you know if they were

844
00:42:40,589 --> 00:42:39,190
murdered sacrificial murder are you

845
00:42:44,700 --> 00:42:40,599
saying that they were specifically

846
00:42:46,769 --> 00:42:44,710
murdered at these locations because yes

847
00:42:52,380 --> 00:42:46,779
because the telerik situation in Iran

848
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:52,390
yes this is this is my conclusion my

849
00:43:00,569 --> 00:42:57,249
analysis and there's a chapter in the

850
00:43:02,660 --> 00:43:00,579
First Empire the wheel book that that

851
00:43:07,019 --> 00:43:02,670
yes that was the case that these were

852
00:43:09,509 --> 00:43:07,029
these were sacrificial murders oh so

853
00:43:12,210 --> 00:43:09,519
that's I was thinking could it be

854
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:12,220
something really dark like that now you

855
00:43:19,529 --> 00:43:16,450
know subsequent 50 years later you know

856
00:43:20,940 --> 00:43:19,539
a Rick and I in the first book like I

857
00:43:24,539 --> 00:43:20,950
had a co-author in the first book with

858
00:43:26,700 --> 00:43:24,549
me i'm richard spence and in that book

859
00:43:30,779 --> 00:43:26,710
we have a chapter on the Zodiac killer

860
00:43:33,150 --> 00:43:30,789
and i might i'm pretty sure i believe we

861
00:43:35,489 --> 00:43:33,160
are the first that has presented the

862
00:43:37,140 --> 00:43:35,499
evidence that for the first time that

863
00:43:40,559 --> 00:43:37,150
ties all the victims of the zodiac

864
00:43:43,739 --> 00:43:40,569
killer together and that is to lure

865
00:43:45,509 --> 00:43:43,749
current all the victims were either

866
00:43:47,900 --> 00:43:45,519
attacked or killed not all of them died

867
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:47,910
but were attacked or killed in

868
00:43:57,269 --> 00:43:53,890
geographic proximity you know either

869
00:43:59,039 --> 00:43:57,279
ride on her right there at telluric

870
00:44:04,349 --> 00:43:59,049
current the sites were on to learn

871
00:44:07,979 --> 00:44:04,359
current now what do you think that was

872
00:44:10,499 --> 00:44:07,989
the reason for that why would obviously

873
00:44:13,410 --> 00:44:10,509
they wanted to take advantage of some

874
00:44:15,359 --> 00:44:13,420
kind of power that was there well as we

875
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:15,369
say in the first book yes absolutely

876
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:22,059
system doesn't work and the book gets

877
00:44:29,259 --> 00:44:26,930
into you know the possible wise we think

878
00:44:32,589 --> 00:44:29,269
that there was something to do with

879
00:44:35,319 --> 00:44:32,599
Hecate veneration but we're very clear

880
00:44:40,269 --> 00:44:35,329
that this is something that we doubt

881
00:44:42,700 --> 00:44:40,279
Hecate would approve of so sweet night I

882
00:44:46,569 --> 00:44:42,710
when I went into this Hecate was the

883
00:44:50,529 --> 00:44:46,579
dark you know evil demon goddess of

884
00:44:53,759 --> 00:44:50,539
witches I will tell you that since 2007

885
00:44:58,589 --> 00:44:53,769
this is 2015 my opinion of Hecate

886
00:45:01,120 --> 00:44:58,599
changed greatly the deeper I

887
00:45:05,620 --> 00:45:01,130
investigated and the farther I went into

888
00:45:08,349 --> 00:45:05,630
this whole thing I have a cim quite a

889
00:45:10,029 --> 00:45:08,359
different opinion of Hecate I primarily

890
00:45:12,700 --> 00:45:10,039
the way I like to describe this hecka

891
00:45:16,450 --> 00:45:12,710
taste like actress it I excuse me Hecate

892
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:16,460
is like electricity electricity is now

893
00:45:21,720 --> 00:45:18,650
it can do great wonderful things or it

894
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:21,730
can kill you if mishandled yeah and

895
00:45:32,170 --> 00:45:26,210
that's kind of the way I see aspects of

896
00:45:36,910 --> 00:45:32,180
her you know but yeah definitely I think

897
00:45:38,799 --> 00:45:36,920
that there was some with with this 1915

898
00:45:42,249 --> 00:45:38,809
situation there was there was something

899
00:45:48,460 --> 00:45:42,259
Hecate going on in the minds of the

900
00:45:52,180 --> 00:45:48,470
perpetrators hmm and who were who do you

901
00:45:55,809 --> 00:45:52,190
think the perpetrators were the the

902
00:45:57,730 --> 00:45:55,819
first suspects on my list would have

903
00:46:00,309 --> 00:45:57,740
been affiliated with the Spiritualist

904
00:46:01,779 --> 00:46:00,319
temple in San Bernardino which at the

905
00:46:03,490 --> 00:46:01,789
time it well it was the first

906
00:46:06,940 --> 00:46:03,500
spiritualist temple in the state of

907
00:46:08,620 --> 00:46:06,950
California it was highly respected among

908
00:46:13,509 --> 00:46:08,630
spiritualists in the early 20th century

909
00:46:17,200 --> 00:46:13,519
and the book spells out all the evidence

910
00:46:19,029 --> 00:46:17,210
as to why we put the spiritualists at

911
00:46:20,890 --> 00:46:19,039
the top of the suspect list now when I

912
00:46:22,210 --> 00:46:20,900
say spiritualist i don't mean the temple

913
00:46:24,940 --> 00:46:22,220
got together and said we're going to do

914
00:46:27,670 --> 00:46:24,950
this but there was somebody who was in

915
00:46:30,370 --> 00:46:27,680
the Spiritualist ranks and probably a

916
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:30,380
member of that particular temple that

917
00:46:34,420 --> 00:46:32,210
were the perpetrators

918
00:46:43,270 --> 00:46:34,430
involved with or were indeed the

919
00:46:47,250 --> 00:46:43,280
perpetrators and how did you um tie

920
00:46:49,660 --> 00:46:47,260
these particular crimes together was it

921
00:46:51,579 --> 00:46:49,670
did you first you know obviously

922
00:46:54,579 --> 00:46:51,589
recognize a pattern with these

923
00:46:57,820 --> 00:46:54,589
poisonings and then you go further out

924
00:47:00,099 --> 00:46:57,830
and start looking at other other deaths

925
00:47:02,349 --> 00:47:00,109
writer mysterious things that happen in

926
00:47:04,540 --> 00:47:02,359
LA well I should also mention I

927
00:47:08,050 --> 00:47:04,550
forgotten to give the details because

928
00:47:11,380 --> 00:47:08,060
the woman who is the belle of the ball

929
00:47:15,270 --> 00:47:11,390
the star of the show who was identified

930
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:15,280
as a Stanton she was found drowned and

931
00:47:21,700 --> 00:47:18,170
poisoned so you had three children and a

932
00:47:25,300 --> 00:47:21,710
woman who were poisoned and her death

933
00:47:28,510 --> 00:47:25,310
was deemed a suicide about as quickly as

934
00:47:30,849 --> 00:47:28,520
they possibly could do that before a

935
00:47:33,250 --> 00:47:30,859
suicide note was found but basically to

936
00:47:37,359 --> 00:47:33,260
answer your question what happened was I

937
00:47:41,260 --> 00:47:37,369
had been doing some follow-up research

938
00:47:44,079 --> 00:47:41,270
on my disneyland book latitude 33 and I

939
00:47:46,720 --> 00:47:44,089
was looking for stories of strange stuff

940
00:47:48,760 --> 00:47:46,730
associated with the the ley lines the

941
00:47:51,190 --> 00:47:48,770
energy and i found a story about a

942
00:47:52,420 --> 00:47:51,200
haunting at the inland center mall which

943
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:52,430
is there now and has been there since

944
00:47:58,089 --> 00:47:54,890
nineteen sixty seven and i found a ghost

945
00:48:00,849 --> 00:47:58,099
story associated with that and the woman

946
00:48:04,510 --> 00:48:00,859
who had posted it is a librarian here in

947
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:04,520
town her name's ann walker and i went to

948
00:48:08,650 --> 00:48:06,530
see her about this ghost story and she

949
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:08,660
is the one who introduced me to the

950
00:48:13,300 --> 00:48:11,810
mysterious case of Cora Staunton well I

951
00:48:14,770 --> 00:48:13,310
went she said you go look at the

952
00:48:17,500 --> 00:48:14,780
newspaper articles it's in there it's

953
00:48:19,690 --> 00:48:17,510
weird so I went to look at the core

954
00:48:22,150 --> 00:48:19,700
Stanton case and what happened was i'm

955
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:22,160
looking through these papers and I'm

956
00:48:25,900 --> 00:48:24,290
seeing wait a minute here's two little

957
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:25,910
children who were poisoned and there's a

958
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:28,490
big mystery and then I see hey wait a

959
00:48:31,540 --> 00:48:29,930
minute here's a fourteen-year-old girl

960
00:48:33,550 --> 00:48:31,550
just some you know a couple weeks later

961
00:48:35,770 --> 00:48:33,560
who's poisoned and it's a big mystery

962
00:48:37,810 --> 00:48:35,780
well gosh now you got this guy who

963
00:48:40,260 --> 00:48:37,820
committed you know and one thing it just

964
00:48:42,700 --> 00:48:40,270
all piled up now I'm looking at this

965
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:42,710
from the point of view about you know

966
00:48:45,580 --> 00:48:44,210
professional you know being a

967
00:48:47,830 --> 00:48:45,590
professional criminal investing

968
00:48:50,260 --> 00:48:47,840
later and it's not adding up you know

969
00:48:53,500 --> 00:48:50,270
that with what the newspapers are saying

970
00:48:55,810 --> 00:48:53,510
you know to my mind I'm saying oh wait a

971
00:48:58,660 --> 00:48:55,820
minute they had a serial killer on the

972
00:49:00,520 --> 00:48:58,670
loose here and they didn't know it and

973
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:00,530
what's interesting is this is you know

974
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:02,570
how many years after Jack the Ripper and

975
00:49:05,950 --> 00:49:04,490
you know some of the other stuff you

976
00:49:08,740 --> 00:49:05,960
would have thought they would have you

977
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:08,750
know might have considered that but a

978
00:49:11,710 --> 00:49:10,370
court you know there's nothing in the

979
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:11,720
papers of the day that indicate that

980
00:49:16,810 --> 00:49:14,410
that's what they were thinking about so

981
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:16,820
that got my attention from that

982
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:21,770
perspective and then when I did the the

983
00:49:27,550 --> 00:49:24,890
ley line research that's what really

984
00:49:30,700 --> 00:49:27,560
blew me away because what i did was i

985
00:49:33,310 --> 00:49:30,710
had my geomorphology guy without telling

986
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:33,320
him about this data about these victims

987
00:49:40,240 --> 00:49:37,370
I had him do a map of the energy

988
00:49:42,940 --> 00:49:40,250
currents in San Bernardino and then I

989
00:49:45,550 --> 00:49:42,950
court I took that map and essentially

990
00:49:48,370 --> 00:49:45,560
let you know laid the corresponding

991
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:48,380
places associated with these deaths on

992
00:49:56,020 --> 00:49:52,370
that map and they matched and when I say

993
00:49:59,400 --> 00:49:56,030
they match they connected to this

994
00:50:02,170 --> 00:49:59,410
current and that was kind of shocking

995
00:50:05,470 --> 00:50:02,180
and there you go I was off to the races

996
00:50:08,380 --> 00:50:05,480
as they say now I was investigating this

997
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:08,390
for a year before I even considered

998
00:50:13,900 --> 00:50:10,850
writing about it so I didn't this was

999
00:50:16,060 --> 00:50:13,910
this was something that was just a

1000
00:50:19,270 --> 00:50:16,070
private investigation that I was doing

1001
00:50:24,070 --> 00:50:19,280
and it took me a while to decide to go

1002
00:50:27,250 --> 00:50:24,080
ahead and write about it well it's it's

1003
00:50:31,990 --> 00:50:27,260
really interesting now what is the

1004
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:32,000
connection to Aleister Crowley Aleister

1005
00:50:42,310 --> 00:50:37,930
Crowley um excuse me he had been on a

1006
00:50:46,350 --> 00:50:42,320
trip from New York to the western United

1007
00:50:49,900 --> 00:50:46,360
States and because of the war in Mexico

1008
00:50:52,090 --> 00:50:49,910
the railroads the southernmost route of

1009
00:50:53,150 --> 00:50:52,100
the railroad that goes to the Americas

1010
00:50:57,410 --> 00:50:53,160
south

1011
00:51:00,770 --> 00:50:57,420
they were channeling reach annalynne all

1012
00:51:02,839 --> 00:51:00,780
the passenger traffic by rail from the

1013
00:51:04,569 --> 00:51:02,849
west coast of the east coast to the more

1014
00:51:07,370 --> 00:51:04,579
northern route which takes you through

1015
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:07,380
northern arizona northern New Mexico and

1016
00:51:13,039 --> 00:51:08,930
panhandle of Texas stuff like that

1017
00:51:14,900 --> 00:51:13,049
because of the war in Mexico well i was

1018
00:51:17,210 --> 00:51:14,910
able because of railroad records i was

1019
00:51:20,299 --> 00:51:17,220
able to prove that Aleister Crowley

1020
00:51:23,630 --> 00:51:20,309
himself had to have come through San

1021
00:51:25,730 --> 00:51:23,640
Bernardino because all the passenger

1022
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:25,740
rail road traffic going from the west

1023
00:51:31,630 --> 00:51:28,490
coast in California to the east coast

1024
00:51:36,260 --> 00:51:31,640
would go through san bernardino anyway

1025
00:51:38,720 --> 00:51:36,270
ok now when you have everybody that some

1026
00:51:41,240 --> 00:51:38,730
of would go from San Diego directly to

1027
00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:41,250
Arizona but most of it would go through

1028
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:43,170
San Bernardino because it was the major

1029
00:51:48,349 --> 00:51:45,450
railroad hub on the west coast in the

1030
00:51:52,630 --> 00:51:48,359
southwestern United States that's what

1031
00:51:56,150 --> 00:51:52,640
built the city up to begin with and

1032
00:51:59,930 --> 00:51:56,160
Crowley had been in San Diego and he

1033
00:52:01,670 --> 00:51:59,940
went back to Washington DC and his you

1034
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:01,680
know in his Diaries it talks about being

1035
00:52:07,240 --> 00:52:04,650
in San Diego you know having gone

1036
00:52:10,789 --> 00:52:07,250
through past the Grand Canyon area and

1037
00:52:12,549 --> 00:52:10,799
in order for him to do that I went and

1038
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:12,559
looked at historical records talked to a

1039
00:52:18,349 --> 00:52:16,170
railroad and was able to prove through

1040
00:52:21,349 --> 00:52:18,359
those means that Crowley had to have

1041
00:52:25,750 --> 00:52:21,359
gone through San Bernardino on this

1042
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:25,760
route and that was in early November of

1043
00:52:33,769 --> 00:52:29,130
1915 just a few days before the woman

1044
00:52:35,569 --> 00:52:33,779
Cora Staunton was found dead now there's

1045
00:52:37,789 --> 00:52:35,579
no telling how long he stayed in San

1046
00:52:40,309 --> 00:52:37,799
Bernardino and because of being who he

1047
00:52:45,019 --> 00:52:40,319
is and was the book goes into the whys

1048
00:52:47,690 --> 00:52:45,029
and wherefores is too might he have you

1049
00:52:49,609 --> 00:52:47,700
know come this way for a you know a

1050
00:52:51,589 --> 00:52:49,619
purpose associated with San Bernardino

1051
00:52:53,930 --> 00:52:51,599
not so much the Grand Canyon and the

1052
00:52:56,450 --> 00:52:53,940
book gets into that now I have people

1053
00:52:58,190 --> 00:52:56,460
that tell me oh that's it curly did it

1054
00:52:59,720 --> 00:52:58,200
he was involved he was the man I have a

1055
00:53:03,230 --> 00:52:59,730
really good friend who's a researcher

1056
00:53:06,019 --> 00:53:03,240
that gets angry with me when I tell it

1057
00:53:06,530 --> 00:53:06,029
I'm sorry as a criminal investigator I'm

1058
00:53:10,280 --> 00:53:06,540
telling you

1059
00:53:12,410 --> 00:53:10,290
Crowley hadn't it was not involved with

1060
00:53:14,660 --> 00:53:12,420
these deaths and he would have strongly

1061
00:53:16,430 --> 00:53:14,670
disapproved of them if I'm right about

1062
00:53:18,590 --> 00:53:16,440
what they are he would have strongly

1063
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:18,600
disapproved of them but he went he came

1064
00:53:23,450 --> 00:53:21,690
through here why why do you think he I

1065
00:53:26,030 --> 00:53:23,460
mean that's a little bit too

1066
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:26,040
coincidental I'm not saying he was

1067
00:53:31,100 --> 00:53:29,490
involved but it would almost seem like

1068
00:53:34,820 --> 00:53:31,110
there there might be some connection

1069
00:53:37,100 --> 00:53:34,830
between his being there and these things

1070
00:53:40,700 --> 00:53:37,110
happening whether it's somebody doing it

1071
00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:40,710
to impress him to anger him to whatever

1072
00:53:46,730 --> 00:53:43,770
well remember this is 1915 Aleister

1073
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:46,740
Crowley this isn't 1930 Aleister Crowley

1074
00:53:51,230 --> 00:53:48,810
or 1940 Aleister Crowley this is

1075
00:53:53,540 --> 00:53:51,240
nineteen fifteen hours Detroit sure he

1076
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:53,550
was about 40 years old he was known at

1077
00:53:58,220 --> 00:53:55,890
that time just as much if not more so as

1078
00:54:00,590 --> 00:53:58,230
a mountain climber and adventurer you

1079
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:00,600
know and and think about it in Southern

1080
00:54:07,220 --> 00:54:04,530
California you know Wow but yeah the

1081
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:07,230
only people I the people that would have

1082
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:08,970
known who you know what he was really

1083
00:54:13,370 --> 00:54:11,330
into and known a lot about him you know

1084
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:13,380
some of those probably would have been

1085
00:54:19,580 --> 00:54:15,170
in the Spiritualist temple to be sure

1086
00:54:21,590 --> 00:54:19,590
but I I think it's possible that he

1087
00:54:24,700 --> 00:54:21,600
might have been summoned there who knows

1088
00:54:27,410 --> 00:54:24,710
by the police by the Secret Service

1089
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:27,420
because as the book goes into there was

1090
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:30,690
some intelligence national security and

1091
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:34,170
World War One intrigues going on in the

1092
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:36,450
area during that time that are involved

1093
00:54:43,190 --> 00:54:39,290
in this because as Empire the wheel to

1094
00:54:46,430 --> 00:54:43,200
goes into identifying who I believe is

1095
00:54:50,180 --> 00:54:46,440
that the the true identity of Korus

1096
00:54:53,780 --> 00:54:50,190
Tenten it gets into her role as an

1097
00:54:55,670 --> 00:54:53,790
intelligence agent for the US most

1098
00:54:58,730 --> 00:54:55,680
likely oh boy there we go back to the

1099
00:55:00,800 --> 00:54:58,740
intelligence agencies again right oh

1100
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:00,810
well let me tell you the you know the

1101
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:03,210
the I don't know if I mean you know if

1102
00:55:06,620 --> 00:55:05,130
people look at the description books

1103
00:55:09,770 --> 00:55:06,630
they probably already know but I

1104
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:09,780
identify Cora Staunton as the legendary

1105
00:55:17,930 --> 00:55:15,210
at a place and I'm sorry you've lost me

1106
00:55:19,610 --> 00:55:17,940
there at a place alone in a place okay

1107
00:55:20,240 --> 00:55:19,620
well let me throw a couple other names

1108
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:20,250
at you

1109
00:55:27,410 --> 00:55:22,770
Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid oh

1110
00:55:29,030 --> 00:55:27,420
well yeah okay oh that Atta okay and

1111
00:55:30,470 --> 00:55:29,040
I'll tell you another thing and it's all

1112
00:55:32,180 --> 00:55:30,480
in the book and part of the wheel too

1113
00:55:36,340 --> 00:55:32,190
and part of its an empire of the wheel

1114
00:55:40,370 --> 00:55:36,350
one let me tell you she was neither

1115
00:55:43,790 --> 00:55:40,380
sundance's nor Butch's girlfriend she

1116
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:43,800
was neither one of their wives wife okay

1117
00:55:49,610 --> 00:55:47,610
she was not a prostitute from a saloon

1118
00:55:52,070 --> 00:55:49,620
okay she might have been working in that

1119
00:55:57,380 --> 00:55:52,080
saloon but she was not a prostitute at a

1120
00:55:59,330 --> 00:55:57,390
place was a secular none well this is

1121
00:56:01,430 --> 00:55:59,340
what I propose and I present all the

1122
00:56:03,860 --> 00:56:01,440
evidence for that part of it is

1123
00:56:05,390 --> 00:56:03,870
presented in the first book but I make

1124
00:56:08,390 --> 00:56:05,400
that argument more strongly in the

1125
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:08,400
second book oh my Figgins can learn why

1126
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:12,210
and I explain why her connection with

1127
00:56:20,030 --> 00:56:15,450
Sundance was most likely a professional

1128
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:20,040
partnership because he was probably also

1129
00:56:29,780 --> 00:56:24,570
a government agent hmm now it's getting

1130
00:56:32,720 --> 00:56:29,790
interesting huh now what agency would he

1131
00:56:36,530 --> 00:56:32,730
have been um he would have either been

1132
00:56:39,020 --> 00:56:36,540
working for the the what eventually

1133
00:56:42,170 --> 00:56:39,030
became the rcmp the Canadians the Royal

1134
00:56:43,700 --> 00:56:42,180
Canadian Mounted Police and she would

1135
00:56:46,090 --> 00:56:43,710
have been Secret Service he might have

1136
00:56:49,820 --> 00:56:46,100
also been Secret Service by that time

1137
00:56:51,830 --> 00:56:49,830
was their Secret Service oh absolutely I

1138
00:56:54,950 --> 00:56:51,840
guess what when it came to there was no

1139
00:56:56,060 --> 00:56:54,960
FBI and here's the thing when it came to

1140
00:56:58,010 --> 00:56:56,070
counter intelligence and national

1141
00:57:00,860 --> 00:56:58,020
security the Secret Service was the only

1142
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:00,870
federal game in town the Secret Service

1143
00:57:05,210 --> 00:57:03,330
at that time did what the FBI eventually

1144
00:57:07,370 --> 00:57:05,220
took over and that was going after spies

1145
00:57:09,050 --> 00:57:07,380
they didn't just go they didn't just

1146
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:09,060
protect the President and they didn't

1147
00:57:13,430 --> 00:57:11,490
just go after Treasury violations they

1148
00:57:17,090 --> 00:57:13,440
were the main federal agency for going

1149
00:57:20,900 --> 00:57:17,100
after spies and you had German agents

1150
00:57:22,790 --> 00:57:20,910
and you had East Indian Hindu if they

1151
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:22,800
identified them as such Batman agents

1152
00:57:29,090 --> 00:57:26,370
just all over California matter of fact

1153
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:29,100
the most famous trial court trial in

1154
00:57:32,490 --> 00:57:30,810
California history I think even before

1155
00:57:34,950 --> 00:57:32,500
oj

1156
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:34,960
get this i mean that tells you i think

1157
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:37,930
the most expensive one relatively not up

1158
00:57:45,150 --> 00:57:41,890
until modern times was a trial where

1159
00:57:46,980 --> 00:57:45,160
they put some East Indian saboteurs who

1160
00:57:49,140 --> 00:57:46,990
had been blowing up ships in California

1161
00:57:50,460 --> 00:57:49,150
harbors they put them on trial they were

1162
00:57:53,070 --> 00:57:50,470
committing acts of terrorism in

1163
00:57:54,930 --> 00:57:53,080
California here's the interesting thing

1164
00:57:57,090 --> 00:57:54,940
and the book goes into the details but

1165
00:58:00,120 --> 00:57:57,100
there was this big thing called the

1166
00:58:02,250 --> 00:58:00,130
German Hindu conspiracy germany and

1167
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:02,260
england as we know in 1915 were at war

1168
00:58:07,260 --> 00:58:05,170
in europe right so Germany wanted to

1169
00:58:11,670 --> 00:58:07,270
keep England busy on two fronts so

1170
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:11,680
Germany was selling guns to Indian

1171
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:15,250
rebels in Burma so they and they were

1172
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:18,130
supplying these guns via through the

1173
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:19,930
United States they would bring him up

1174
00:58:24,690 --> 00:58:21,970
into Texas through the Gulf they would

1175
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:24,700
put them on trains take them west to

1176
00:58:28,530 --> 00:58:27,130
California in Southern California which

1177
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:28,540
meant they had to come through San

1178
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:30,490
Bernardino and they would ship him on to

1179
00:58:34,170 --> 00:58:32,050
San Diego where they were being put on

1180
00:58:36,900 --> 00:58:34,180
boats and sailed across the Pacific to

1181
00:58:38,970 --> 00:58:36,910
Burma to be given to terrorists and

1182
00:58:40,860 --> 00:58:38,980
revolutionaries in India to give the

1183
00:58:42,930 --> 00:58:40,870
British a hard time over there now we

1184
00:58:45,810 --> 00:58:42,940
know this because a ship called the ante

1185
00:58:48,180 --> 00:58:45,820
Larsen was captured off of San Diego

1186
00:58:50,820 --> 00:58:48,190
doing just that this is all documented

1187
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:50,830
history so you had all this intelligence

1188
00:58:54,660 --> 00:58:52,570
intrigue going on around all this stuff

1189
00:58:59,220 --> 00:58:54,670
and they're in the middle of it was the

1190
00:59:03,990 --> 00:58:59,230
legendary at a place mmm and she was

1191
00:59:07,260 --> 00:59:04,000
quite wow she's a no-show oh yeah she's

1192
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:07,270
that's really that's really wild you

1193
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:09,250
know it's time to take another break so

1194
00:59:14,430 --> 00:59:12,250
we are going to be gone for just a

1195
00:59:16,860 --> 00:59:14,440
couple minutes and then we'll be back

1196
00:59:29,260 --> 00:59:16,870
with my guest Walter Bosley hope you'll

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1235
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1236
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1237
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:33,680
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1238
01:01:40,779 --> 01:01:38,210
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1239
01:01:50,579 --> 01:01:40,789
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1240
01:01:50,589 --> 01:02:56,400
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1241
01:03:01,930 --> 01:02:58,960
welcome back you're listening to night

1242
01:03:05,050 --> 01:03:01,940
vision radio I'm Renee Barnett with me

1243
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:05,060
tonight is Walter Bosley he is the

1244
01:03:10,120 --> 01:03:07,130
author of a series of books called

1245
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:10,130
empire of the wheel in other books too

1246
01:03:13,690 --> 01:03:11,330
which we're going to get into in just

1247
01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:13,700
just a moment but before we get into

1248
01:03:18,010 --> 01:03:15,890
some of the other things I know there's

1249
01:03:22,150 --> 01:03:18,020
a really interesting book that you did

1250
01:03:24,910 --> 01:03:22,160
on disneyland in sort of some occult

1251
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:24,920
secrets there um but before we do that

1252
01:03:31,540 --> 01:03:27,290
Empire of the wheel can you explain to

1253
01:03:33,180 --> 01:03:31,550
us I know you've you mentioned that the

1254
01:03:36,220 --> 01:03:33,190
you know Catherine and the wheel

1255
01:03:38,710 --> 01:03:36,230
connection but is how did you choose

1256
01:03:41,650 --> 01:03:38,720
that name and what is Empire of the

1257
01:03:44,850 --> 01:03:41,660
wheel it's very simple the san

1258
01:03:48,070 --> 01:03:44,860
bernardino valley and riverside area

1259
01:03:50,440 --> 01:03:48,080
it's really the heart of what's known as

1260
01:03:54,790 --> 01:03:50,450
the Inland Empire closer Southern

1261
01:03:57,010 --> 01:03:54,800
California and because this stuff you

1262
01:03:59,350 --> 01:03:57,020
know Hecate is in the middle of all this

1263
01:04:02,440 --> 01:03:59,360
stuff and her symbols the wheel I just

1264
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:02,450
simply called it Empire of the wheel how

1265
01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:05,210
that's really interesting that's good i

1266
01:04:10,750 --> 01:04:07,130
didn't know whether that was some sort

1267
01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:10,760
of like secret society empire of the

1268
01:04:21,010 --> 01:04:16,610
wheel and it's it's not the Rotary Club

1269
01:04:23,460 --> 01:04:21,020
either no I I doubt that very much now

1270
01:04:27,550 --> 01:04:23,470
you've written also a book about

1271
01:04:29,260 --> 01:04:27,560
Disneyland and also how do we get your

1272
01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:29,270
books before we going further cuz I know

1273
01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:30,770
we're gonna run out of time before we

1274
01:04:35,740 --> 01:04:33,170
get that in if I don't stop there right

1275
01:04:37,710 --> 01:04:35,750
there all it amazon on kendall which

1276
01:04:40,630 --> 01:04:37,720
remind everybody or if you don't know

1277
01:04:42,220 --> 01:04:40,640
amazon gives the kindle app away for

1278
01:04:43,690 --> 01:04:42,230
free you do not have to have a kindle

1279
01:04:46,210 --> 01:04:43,700
device just go there and download the

1280
01:04:47,980 --> 01:04:46,220
app on any device did you prefer and

1281
01:04:50,290 --> 01:04:47,990
then you can buy and read kindle books

1282
01:04:56,260 --> 01:04:50,300
or they're available in print at

1283
01:04:57,850 --> 01:04:56,270
lulu.com lu lu calm calm okay well we'll

1284
01:05:02,560 --> 01:04:57,860
definitely check those out i know i'm

1285
01:05:05,020 --> 01:05:02,570
going to now the book on disneyland how

1286
01:05:06,730 --> 01:05:05,030
in the world did that come into being

1287
01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:06,740
and can you share with us

1288
01:05:09,609 --> 01:05:08,330
just a few of the things that you turned

1289
01:05:11,859 --> 01:05:09,619
up in your book because we want

1290
01:05:13,870 --> 01:05:11,869
everybody to read it sure and that one

1291
01:05:15,420 --> 01:05:13,880
predates all the Empire the wheel

1292
01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:15,430
investigation because as I said earlier

1293
01:05:19,390 --> 01:05:17,690
when i discovered the core Stanton

1294
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:19,400
mystery I was actually doing some follow

1295
01:05:22,900 --> 01:05:20,930
up on the Disneyland research by

1296
01:05:25,180 --> 01:05:22,910
following the ley lines out of

1297
01:05:27,970 --> 01:05:25,190
Disneyland across Southern California

1298
01:05:30,420 --> 01:05:27,980
the energy lines and that led me to the

1299
01:05:35,770 --> 01:05:30,430
ghost story of inland center but I had

1300
01:05:39,310 --> 01:05:35,780
um it actually that book gotta start on

1301
01:05:41,620 --> 01:05:39,320
a mutual friend of ours Greg Bishop on

1302
01:05:43,570 --> 01:05:41,630
his show radio Mysterio so we were

1303
01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:43,580
sitting there one night and musing on

1304
01:05:49,390 --> 01:05:46,250
things and the subject of club 33 at

1305
01:05:51,940 --> 01:05:49,400
Disneyland came up yeah and it's an

1306
01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:51,950
exclusive restaurant kind of situation

1307
01:05:56,710 --> 01:05:54,290
there and you know we wondered well

1308
01:05:59,230 --> 01:05:56,720
golly why did they call that club 33 and

1309
01:06:02,740 --> 01:05:59,240
in our research on air we discovered the

1310
01:06:06,940 --> 01:06:02,750
Disneyland is literally at latitude 33

1311
01:06:09,820 --> 01:06:06,950
it's either 8118 or 1881 something like

1312
01:06:12,580 --> 01:06:09,830
that and we thought well gosh we wonder

1313
01:06:15,460 --> 01:06:12,590
if you know wonder if there's something

1314
01:06:17,940 --> 01:06:15,470
to that and then I looked into it deeper

1315
01:06:21,849 --> 01:06:17,950
and discovered that a man named

1316
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:21,859
Cornelius Vanderbilt woods TV would had

1317
01:06:26,680 --> 01:06:24,170
actually been the engineer who designed

1318
01:06:29,560 --> 01:06:26,690
and led the building of physical

1319
01:06:32,349 --> 01:06:29,570
Disneyland as we know it and the

1320
01:06:35,650 --> 01:06:32,359
Disney's had hired him from the

1321
01:06:37,120 --> 01:06:35,660
legendary s are I Stanford Research

1322
01:06:39,130 --> 01:06:37,130
Institute the same guys that brought us

1323
01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:39,140
remote viewing and other interesting

1324
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:42,290
things yeah and one thing led to another

1325
01:06:48,849 --> 01:06:45,770
in weirdness not the least of which was

1326
01:06:50,650 --> 01:06:48,859
the reason we I think we're talking

1327
01:06:54,730 --> 01:06:50,660
about Disneyland was because I had had a

1328
01:06:57,070 --> 01:06:54,740
very strange and interesting experience

1329
01:07:01,990 --> 01:06:57,080
at Disneyland myself in the early

1330
01:07:05,530 --> 01:07:02,000
eighties that had stayed with me for

1331
01:07:08,380 --> 01:07:05,540
years and led me to even learning about

1332
01:07:10,150 --> 01:07:08,390
the original ley line so to speak

1333
01:07:15,609 --> 01:07:10,160
research done by a man named Alfred

1334
01:07:16,039 --> 01:07:15,619
Watkins and so with that experience and

1335
01:07:18,529 --> 01:07:16,049
with

1336
01:07:20,989 --> 01:07:18,539
and that's all outline that's all

1337
01:07:22,939 --> 01:07:20,999
discussed in the book latitude 33 key to

1338
01:07:26,449 --> 01:07:22,949
the kingdom and with but with that

1339
01:07:27,709 --> 01:07:26,459
experience and then with this discussion

1340
01:07:30,019 --> 01:07:27,719
with Greg Bishop and the follow-up

1341
01:07:31,819 --> 01:07:30,029
research I decided wow you know there's

1342
01:07:33,529 --> 01:07:31,829
there's a book here I mean there's

1343
01:07:38,719 --> 01:07:33,539
enough here that I'm finding about

1344
01:07:42,319 --> 01:07:38,729
Disneyland and this stuff this esoteric

1345
01:07:43,549 --> 01:07:42,329
stuff that we love so much that you know

1346
01:07:48,949 --> 01:07:43,559
I got to write about this I got to get

1347
01:07:51,229 --> 01:07:48,959
this down and so there it is now what do

1348
01:07:53,660 --> 01:07:51,239
you think you know that club 33 I've

1349
01:07:56,509 --> 01:07:53,670
never had the pleasure of being there I

1350
01:07:57,829 --> 01:07:56,519
have never had the money yeah I've had

1351
01:08:00,380 --> 01:07:57,839
friends that have gone there is that

1352
01:08:03,049 --> 01:08:00,390
what it takes is just money or yeah

1353
01:08:04,519 --> 01:08:03,059
basically it's an exclusive thing you

1354
01:08:06,859 --> 01:08:04,529
know you pay a membership there's a

1355
01:08:08,839 --> 01:08:06,869
waiting list to be a member of club 33

1356
01:08:11,539 --> 01:08:08,849
my understanding is it's the only place

1357
01:08:13,910 --> 01:08:11,549
at Disneyland where you can have alcohol

1358
01:08:15,910 --> 01:08:13,920
with a meal and it's just a little

1359
01:08:19,910 --> 01:08:15,920
exclusive restaurant I think there's a

1360
01:08:21,919 --> 01:08:19,920
really cool disney our cannon and stuff

1361
01:08:24,379 --> 01:08:21,929
on the walls and won't I've never been

1362
01:08:26,059 --> 01:08:24,389
inside the place I mean for years you

1363
01:08:28,669 --> 01:08:26,069
can I they never even showed a picture

1364
01:08:31,010 --> 01:08:28,679
inside of it but you know it's just kind

1365
01:08:33,049 --> 01:08:31,020
of a and and think about it it's

1366
01:08:34,970 --> 01:08:33,059
probably something that you know was put

1367
01:08:36,260 --> 01:08:34,980
in there so that when celebrities you

1368
01:08:39,049 --> 01:08:36,270
know came to the park or whatever they

1369
01:08:40,010 --> 01:08:39,059
can have a place you know VIPs or

1370
01:08:42,079 --> 01:08:40,020
whatever you know they could have a

1371
01:08:44,660 --> 01:08:42,089
place to go and you know not be

1372
01:08:46,490 --> 01:08:44,670
surrounded by us common folk oh yeah we

1373
01:08:49,729 --> 01:08:46,500
wouldn't want that and its location

1374
01:08:51,620 --> 01:08:49,739
right there in New Orleans square just a

1375
01:08:53,569 --> 01:08:51,630
couple doors down it's right next to the

1376
01:08:55,849 --> 01:08:53,579
exit of pirates of the caribbean it's

1377
01:08:58,339 --> 01:08:55,859
just a plain door with a nice fancy

1378
01:09:01,249 --> 01:08:58,349
plate that says you know has the number

1379
01:09:02,419 --> 01:09:01,259
33 and it's got a slot and apparently

1380
01:09:04,579 --> 01:09:02,429
you put your membership card through

1381
01:09:06,799 --> 01:09:04,589
there and they open the door for you you

1382
01:09:09,890 --> 01:09:06,809
know you just go in and have your meal

1383
01:09:14,359 --> 01:09:09,900
and relaxing yeah that's it there's

1384
01:09:17,599 --> 01:09:14,369
really nothing sinister yeah okay I I

1385
01:09:19,849 --> 01:09:17,609
had a have a friend who has been there

1386
01:09:22,160 --> 01:09:19,859
fairly recently actually posted some

1387
01:09:24,289 --> 01:09:22,170
pictures on facebook i wonder if he was

1388
01:09:27,079 --> 01:09:24,299
taking them surreptitiously it's

1389
01:09:28,730 --> 01:09:27,089
actually not not supposed to be doing

1390
01:09:30,500 --> 01:09:28,740
that I don't know Oh

1391
01:09:34,280 --> 01:09:30,510
took photos of club 33 oh that's cool

1392
01:09:37,700 --> 01:09:34,290
yeah he posted on his Facebook page yeah

1393
01:09:40,130 --> 01:09:37,710
I'll send them to you cool okay so but

1394
01:09:42,320 --> 01:09:40,140
yeah it's just one thing led to another

1395
01:09:44,180 --> 01:09:42,330
and like I said I talk about what the

1396
01:09:46,490 --> 01:09:44,190
personal experience was with an old man

1397
01:09:48,650 --> 01:09:46,500
named Alfred there's a hint for you I

1398
01:09:52,310 --> 01:09:48,660
talked about Alfred Watkins waiting to

1399
01:09:57,350 --> 01:09:52,320
read about it in the book and it's uh

1400
01:10:00,110 --> 01:09:57,360
it's uh it's just a whole interesting

1401
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:00,120
way of looking at the park that you know

1402
01:10:07,100 --> 01:10:04,890
and did not I did walt disney have

1403
01:10:08,900 --> 01:10:07,110
anything to do with with this or I mean

1404
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:08,910
you always hear you know vital

1405
01:10:12,650 --> 01:10:11,010
conspiracy theories about what is need

1406
01:10:15,080 --> 01:10:12,660
when you hear this all this stuff that

1407
01:10:17,630 --> 01:10:15,090
he was a Mason which the frame Ison yeah

1408
01:10:21,860 --> 01:10:17,640
my research showed that he was not in

1409
01:10:23,810 --> 01:10:21,870
any Lodge that any you know my sonic

1410
01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:23,820
authority i went to could identify or

1411
01:10:30,250 --> 01:10:26,370
anyone's ever been able to identify he

1412
01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:30,260
was in demolay when he was high school

1413
01:10:37,130 --> 01:10:34,290
now demolay of course is a Masonic

1414
01:10:39,290 --> 01:10:37,140
sponsored youth organization yeah but he

1415
01:10:44,030 --> 01:10:39,300
never entered a lodge in adulthood and

1416
01:10:46,190 --> 01:10:44,040
you know um and and in really you know

1417
01:10:47,690 --> 01:10:46,200
Walt was the people that I know that

1418
01:10:49,790 --> 01:10:47,700
I've encountered him personally they'll

1419
01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:49,800
tell you you like to smoke he liked to

1420
01:10:55,640 --> 01:10:51,410
drink and he liked to cuss like a sailor

1421
01:10:59,350 --> 01:10:55,650
but you know Walt doing rituals and all

1422
01:11:02,930 --> 01:10:59,360
this stuff I personally find ridiculous

1423
01:11:06,140 --> 01:11:02,940
yeah probably somebody did just make

1424
01:11:08,660 --> 01:11:06,150
that up the demolay cloth be but you

1425
01:11:11,510 --> 01:11:08,670
know where i grew up in southeastern

1426
01:11:14,330 --> 01:11:11,520
oklahoma there was a demolay chapter in

1427
01:11:17,180 --> 01:11:14,340
my town and it was just I mean those

1428
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:17,190
guys didn't have any idea of any kind of

1429
01:11:22,220 --> 01:11:19,770
secret society connections or anything

1430
01:11:25,360 --> 01:11:22,230
like that it was just you know something

1431
01:11:28,790 --> 01:11:25,370
it was just social right for them so

1432
01:11:31,550 --> 01:11:28,800
yeah I if he is that you always turn up

1433
01:11:33,710 --> 01:11:31,560
if you're looking for the guy who put

1434
01:11:36,590 --> 01:11:33,720
these strange things that I talk about

1435
01:11:39,080 --> 01:11:36,600
in the book and the did strange stuff

1436
01:11:41,310 --> 01:11:39,090
with Disneyland you need to be looking

1437
01:11:43,710 --> 01:11:41,320
at cv would

1438
01:11:46,670 --> 01:11:43,720
from sr I who the Disney's hired and

1439
01:11:48,780 --> 01:11:46,680
then they ultimately fired him because

1440
01:11:50,070 --> 01:11:48,790
he was kind of going out there

1441
01:11:54,380 --> 01:11:50,080
presenting himself as the man who

1442
01:11:57,030 --> 01:11:54,390
created Disneyland well you know Walt

1443
01:11:58,920 --> 01:11:57,040
well considered himself the man who

1444
01:12:00,750 --> 01:11:58,930
created Disneyland would is just the man

1445
01:12:03,930 --> 01:12:00,760
who built it and there is a distinction

1446
01:12:05,550 --> 01:12:03,940
to be made there between the two but CV

1447
01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:05,560
would by all reports I even talked to

1448
01:12:09,900 --> 01:12:07,570
people who knew him personally this is a

1449
01:12:12,360 --> 01:12:09,910
really nice guy and he was a showman and

1450
01:12:15,060 --> 01:12:12,370
their view of that whole fallout with

1451
01:12:17,370 --> 01:12:15,070
Walt Disney was that you know you had

1452
01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:17,380
two guys were showman and then he goes

1453
01:12:22,920 --> 01:12:20,410
you know and you know they clash a

1454
01:12:26,180 --> 01:12:22,930
little bit and you know it was well mr.

1455
01:12:30,570 --> 01:12:26,190
wood we don't need your services anymore

1456
01:12:33,270 --> 01:12:30,580
but it's very interesting what mr. wood

1457
01:12:35,610 --> 01:12:33,280
engineered into that park and that's all

1458
01:12:39,120 --> 01:12:35,620
laid out in the book can you give us

1459
01:12:41,850 --> 01:12:39,130
just a few little details of that oh

1460
01:12:43,530 --> 01:12:41,860
sure sure the keris most people have

1461
01:12:45,660 --> 01:12:43,540
been you know certainly in Southern

1462
01:12:49,110 --> 01:12:45,670
California oh sure people have been to

1463
01:12:51,890 --> 01:12:49,120
Disneyland between 1955 when it opened

1464
01:12:56,040 --> 01:12:51,900
in 1982 when they had redesigned

1465
01:12:57,810 --> 01:12:56,050
Fantasyland and reopened it or I'm sorry

1466
01:13:00,570 --> 01:12:57,820
when they shut down 1982 when they shut

1467
01:13:04,140 --> 01:13:00,580
down Fantasyland to re redo it the

1468
01:13:06,300 --> 01:13:04,150
carousel sat in a particular spot um it

1469
01:13:08,910 --> 01:13:06,310
was moved during the nineteen eighty to

1470
01:13:13,580 --> 01:13:08,920
revamp of Fantasyland but the spot that

1471
01:13:16,230 --> 01:13:13,590
it had sat upon originally is where my

1472
01:13:19,350 --> 01:13:16,240
geomorphology guy says sorry has mapped

1473
01:13:22,020 --> 01:13:19,360
out the intersection of three telluric

1474
01:13:25,740 --> 01:13:22,030
current current you know we'll call it

1475
01:13:27,570 --> 01:13:25,750
ley lines for simplicity of these lines

1476
01:13:29,580 --> 01:13:27,580
an intersection of three of these lines

1477
01:13:31,950 --> 01:13:29,590
the carousel set right on top of it and

1478
01:13:33,690 --> 01:13:31,960
the theory is see Disneyland is built in

1479
01:13:35,670 --> 01:13:33,700
a bowl people don't realize that when

1480
01:13:37,470 --> 01:13:35,680
you go into Disneyland the deeper you

1481
01:13:39,780 --> 01:13:37,480
going to the park you're going down into

1482
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:39,790
a bowl and then the train that goes

1483
01:13:45,900 --> 01:13:42,010
around the park is the berm of that bowl

1484
01:13:49,320 --> 01:13:45,910
it's kind of a a rough triangle shaped

1485
01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:49,330
bowl with rounded corners you know but

1486
01:13:54,870 --> 01:13:53,410
it is a bowl and the idea is is that the

1487
01:13:56,580 --> 01:13:54,880
carousel as its

1488
01:13:58,860 --> 01:13:56,590
would have drawn the energy up of this

1489
01:14:02,040 --> 01:13:58,870
intersection of these three lines and

1490
01:14:05,160 --> 01:14:02,050
then redistributed it through the park

1491
01:14:06,810 --> 01:14:05,170
and because it's in a bowl that energy

1492
01:14:09,149 --> 01:14:06,820
would flow through the park and then

1493
01:14:11,790 --> 01:14:09,159
kind of come up on the burn but just

1494
01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:11,800
through the spin and through the shape

1495
01:14:17,879 --> 01:14:15,010
it would then come back in and flow back

1496
01:14:22,169 --> 01:14:17,889
in on itself so it was kind of self

1497
01:14:24,919 --> 01:14:22,179
containing the enter key and the

1498
01:14:28,050 --> 01:14:24,929
carousel would have been the the

1499
01:14:30,209 --> 01:14:28,060
operative piece of thought like if you

1500
01:14:33,270 --> 01:14:30,219
think of Disneyland as a machine the

1501
01:14:36,570 --> 01:14:33,280
carousel was that spinning carousel was

1502
01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:36,580
the the main central piece that made it

1503
01:14:43,709 --> 01:14:41,050
all work but now the carousels moved the

1504
01:14:45,780 --> 01:14:43,719
carousels move when I had my experience

1505
01:14:47,189 --> 01:14:45,790
it started while I was riding the

1506
01:14:50,040 --> 01:14:47,199
carousel when it was still in its

1507
01:14:51,479 --> 01:14:50,050
original position okay so when I was

1508
01:14:54,419 --> 01:14:51,489
writing a carousel that particular night

1509
01:14:57,120 --> 01:14:54,429
that i had my strange encounter the

1510
01:14:58,680 --> 01:14:57,130
carousel was still directly above this

1511
01:15:00,959 --> 01:14:58,690
intersection of these three ley lines

1512
01:15:02,910 --> 01:15:00,969
energy lines and while I was riding the

1513
01:15:06,090 --> 01:15:02,920
carousel that's when I noticed the man

1514
01:15:09,540 --> 01:15:06,100
named Alfred standing and watching and

1515
01:15:12,030 --> 01:15:09,550
then I encountered him just minutes

1516
01:15:15,090 --> 01:15:12,040
later seated on a bench almost as if he

1517
01:15:18,660 --> 01:15:15,100
was waiting for me to approach and um

1518
01:15:19,860 --> 01:15:18,670
and they did that yes of course I felt

1519
01:15:22,530 --> 01:15:19,870
like you know there's something about

1520
01:15:25,229 --> 01:15:22,540
this old man I I want to talk to a high

1521
01:15:27,810 --> 01:15:25,239
school kid you know and he was wearing a

1522
01:15:31,649 --> 01:15:27,820
black suit and a white shirt with no tie

1523
01:15:35,459 --> 01:15:31,659
no hat he had snow white hair and a

1524
01:15:37,830 --> 01:15:35,469
close-cropped beard and you know it's

1525
01:15:39,629 --> 01:15:37,840
tough it was his he was just looking at

1526
01:15:46,500 --> 01:15:39,639
the place like he was in wonder like a

1527
01:15:48,270 --> 01:15:46,510
little child almost and he this was in

1528
01:15:49,919 --> 01:15:48,280
the days of the ticket books you could

1529
01:15:51,899 --> 01:15:49,929
either get the passport ticket or the

1530
01:15:53,370 --> 01:15:51,909
ticket look see the e-ticket be a ticket

1531
01:15:56,640 --> 01:15:53,380
the btec and he was almost out of

1532
01:15:59,040 --> 01:15:56,650
tickets and and I had the passport

1533
01:16:00,870 --> 01:15:59,050
ticket at that time so he had a ticket

1534
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:00,880
where he could still ride small world so

1535
01:16:05,850 --> 01:16:03,010
we I had two friends with me by the way

1536
01:16:08,189 --> 01:16:05,860
two witnesses to this and we went on the

1537
01:16:08,770 --> 01:16:08,199
small world with Alfred you know and

1538
01:16:11,140 --> 01:16:08,780
then after

1539
01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:11,150
the ride it was getting to be like 930

1540
01:16:15,459 --> 01:16:13,010
at night in the park closed at eleven

1541
01:16:16,689 --> 01:16:15,469
you know and and I was you know being a

1542
01:16:18,729 --> 01:16:16,699
California and I'm always going to

1543
01:16:22,350 --> 01:16:18,739
Disneyland here was this you know nice

1544
01:16:26,020 --> 01:16:22,360
old gentleman and so I took my my

1545
01:16:27,580 --> 01:16:26,030
passport and I attached it to his coat

1546
01:16:29,439 --> 01:16:27,590
lapel pinned it with one of those

1547
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:29,449
character pins and i told her i said

1548
01:16:33,279 --> 01:16:31,610
look with that passport you can go ride

1549
01:16:35,169 --> 01:16:33,289
everything you want as many times as you

1550
01:16:37,240 --> 01:16:35,179
want you still got you know an hour and

1551
01:16:38,680 --> 01:16:37,250
a half to go see the rest of the park

1552
01:16:41,109 --> 01:16:38,690
and do other things and he was just so

1553
01:16:43,740 --> 01:16:41,119
nice and so grateful he couldn't believe

1554
01:16:46,569 --> 01:16:43,750
that I gave him my passport ticket and

1555
01:16:48,640 --> 01:16:46,579
um you know then he walked back into

1556
01:16:51,399 --> 01:16:48,650
Fantasyland and that was it you know

1557
01:16:53,260 --> 01:16:51,409
well you know except something nagged me

1558
01:16:56,109 --> 01:16:53,270
about that experience for years

1559
01:17:04,839 --> 01:16:56,119
throughout the rest of of the 80s and

1560
01:17:07,720 --> 01:17:04,849
then there i was in 1991 or 92 and um I

1561
01:17:09,910 --> 01:17:07,730
was in a bookstore in Manhattan I was

1562
01:17:10,810 --> 01:17:09,920
working for the FBI I was in the old I

1563
01:17:12,250 --> 01:17:10,820
don't know if it's still there the

1564
01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:12,260
Coliseum bookstore at columbus circle

1565
01:17:16,689 --> 01:17:14,570
and it was the first time I'd ever heard

1566
01:17:20,740 --> 01:17:16,699
of ley lines I pick up this book called

1567
01:17:22,240 --> 01:17:20,750
the old straight track and I'm it's a a

1568
01:17:24,910 --> 01:17:22,250
line energy blah blah blah i'm like oh

1569
01:17:26,649 --> 01:17:24,920
this is kind of interesting I i had i'm

1570
01:17:29,020 --> 01:17:26,659
sorry i had heard about them in the late

1571
01:17:30,339 --> 01:17:29,030
80s in reference to some UFO research

1572
01:17:32,140 --> 01:17:30,349
some other guys had done but i didn't

1573
01:17:34,270 --> 01:17:32,150
really know that much about them so in

1574
01:17:35,649 --> 01:17:34,280
92 i'm looking at this book i'm going

1575
01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:35,659
well this is interesting and it's by a

1576
01:17:40,810 --> 01:17:39,050
guy named Alfred Watkins now I didn't

1577
01:17:43,120 --> 01:17:40,820
say before but the old man had told me

1578
01:17:45,430 --> 01:17:43,130
his name was Alfred by the way well so I

1579
01:17:48,910 --> 01:17:45,440
opened this book up and there's a photo

1580
01:17:51,430 --> 01:17:48,920
of Alfred Watkins and I tell you I got

1581
01:17:53,439 --> 01:17:51,440
goosebumps and it kind of freaked me out

1582
01:17:55,779 --> 01:17:53,449
a little bit because I was looking at

1583
01:18:00,669 --> 01:17:55,789
the photo of the man I met at Disneyland

1584
01:18:08,859 --> 01:18:00,679
hmm in 81 ok and what was in what when

1585
01:18:11,890 --> 01:18:08,869
did he live well he died in 1935 19 yeah

1586
01:18:16,180 --> 01:18:11,900
it was yes hehe had died a couple of

1587
01:18:20,200 --> 01:18:16,190
decades or so before I encountered his

1588
01:18:22,510 --> 01:18:20,210
double at Disneyland also named Alfred

1589
01:18:25,150 --> 01:18:22,520
Wow down

1590
01:18:29,260 --> 01:18:25,160
wild now have you seen that footage

1591
01:18:32,440 --> 01:18:29,270
that's been made public of the ghosts at

1592
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:32,450
Disneyland I've seen yeah I've seen the

1593
01:18:39,550 --> 01:18:35,930
most recent I've um someone just walking

1594
01:18:41,560 --> 01:18:39,560
through the place yeah yeah interesting

1595
01:18:45,510 --> 01:18:41,570
isn't it the book the book has a chapter

1596
01:18:49,510 --> 01:18:45,520
on the various hauntings at the park and

1597
01:18:52,120 --> 01:18:49,520
that's a very interesting subject here's

1598
01:18:54,310 --> 01:18:52,130
something that I discovered and I

1599
01:18:56,260 --> 01:18:54,320
believe I learned this from Marla James

1600
01:18:58,690 --> 01:18:56,270
her and her husband are ghosts

1601
01:19:01,330 --> 01:18:58,700
researchers in Southern California and

1602
01:19:03,820 --> 01:19:01,340
they had done extensive research around

1603
01:19:07,750 --> 01:19:03,830
anaheim and such but Marla had told me

1604
01:19:10,060 --> 01:19:07,760
that when people die at Disneyland I

1605
01:19:11,830 --> 01:19:10,070
don't know if it's this way but it used

1606
01:19:16,500 --> 01:19:11,840
to be this way they have an arrangement

1607
01:19:19,690 --> 01:19:16,510
with the city and the hospital that the

1608
01:19:23,920 --> 01:19:19,700
the victim the the deceased will be

1609
01:19:26,440 --> 01:19:23,930
taken the hospital and declared dead

1610
01:19:28,630 --> 01:19:26,450
there that they won't be declared dead

1611
01:19:30,880 --> 01:19:28,640
in the park also no one will ever be

1612
01:19:32,530 --> 01:19:30,890
declared dead at Disneyland yeah that

1613
01:19:39,070 --> 01:19:32,540
was that was what i was told that was

1614
01:19:41,440 --> 01:19:39,080
the understanding of the between the

1615
01:19:43,720 --> 01:19:41,450
park and the so you know people have

1616
01:19:46,480 --> 01:19:43,730
died there but they don't get declared

1617
01:19:47,770 --> 01:19:46,490
dead I mean except in the obvious cases

1618
01:19:49,180 --> 01:19:47,780
I think there was a gentleman who was

1619
01:19:54,430 --> 01:19:49,190
killed on one of the roller coasters

1620
01:19:56,590 --> 01:19:54,440
about 10 years ago but generally the

1621
01:19:58,710 --> 01:19:56,600
death declaration is outside the park

1622
01:20:02,470 --> 01:19:58,720
but people have died there they were

1623
01:20:06,580 --> 01:20:02,480
there was a boy who died drowning in the

1624
01:20:09,730 --> 01:20:06,590
river the water surrounding Tom Sawyer's

1625
01:20:14,770 --> 01:20:09,740
Island you know there's been employees

1626
01:20:19,630 --> 01:20:14,780
killed there and stuff so Wow very very

1627
01:20:23,220 --> 01:20:19,640
very strange now have you had any other

1628
01:20:27,460 --> 01:20:23,230
experience around this Alfred character

1629
01:20:29,800 --> 01:20:27,470
no I you know Disneyland was the one

1630
01:20:33,130 --> 01:20:29,810
time I've experienced Alfred and then

1631
01:20:35,270 --> 01:20:33,140
the interesting you know discovery you

1632
01:20:38,770 --> 01:20:35,280
know what 11 years later

1633
01:20:40,879 --> 01:20:38,780
alpha t watkins and you know there is

1634
01:20:43,069 --> 01:20:40,889
investigating these lines and if they

1635
01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:43,079
are associated with earth energy I

1636
01:20:48,560 --> 01:20:46,650
discussed in the book what I think that

1637
01:20:50,450 --> 01:20:48,570
experience you know the possible

1638
01:20:52,189 --> 01:20:50,460
explanations for that experience you

1639
01:20:55,189 --> 01:20:52,199
know you know just a big old coincidence

1640
01:20:58,399 --> 01:20:55,199
like the The Skeptical priest skeptic

1641
01:21:00,140 --> 01:20:58,409
priest will say or could it be this

1642
01:21:02,089 --> 01:21:00,150
could it be that and my favorite my

1643
01:21:05,600 --> 01:21:02,099
personal favorite of course is that old

1644
01:21:07,129 --> 01:21:05,610
Alfred Watkins in 1925 stepped into an

1645
01:21:09,470 --> 01:21:07,139
intersection and got transported to

1646
01:21:13,910 --> 01:21:09,480
disneyland in 1981 I'd love for that to

1647
01:21:17,270 --> 01:21:13,920
be the case right yeah that would

1648
01:21:21,830 --> 01:21:17,280
totally cool but you know for whatever

1649
01:21:25,790 --> 01:21:21,840
reason you know I don't know the exact

1650
01:21:27,950 --> 01:21:25,800
answer as to why this this double this

1651
01:21:30,470 --> 01:21:27,960
couple ganger for Alfred Watkins you

1652
01:21:34,279 --> 01:21:30,480
know who stood who studied these lines

1653
01:21:37,220 --> 01:21:34,289
and then you know Here I am seeing this

1654
01:21:40,250 --> 01:21:37,230
double I mean it's kind of strange to

1655
01:21:43,010 --> 01:21:40,260
see how old did that gentleman appear to

1656
01:21:44,390 --> 01:21:43,020
be he said he had white hair yeah well

1657
01:21:46,010 --> 01:21:44,400
here's what's interesting if at the time

1658
01:21:48,680 --> 01:21:46,020
I said all this guy's got to be around

1659
01:21:50,919 --> 01:21:48,690
70 years old well then later I learned

1660
01:21:54,410 --> 01:21:50,929
that when Watkins you know was

1661
01:21:57,649 --> 01:21:54,420
investigating this stuff he was like 69

1662
01:22:00,740 --> 01:21:57,659
or 70 in it when the photo i was looking

1663
01:22:03,709 --> 01:22:00,750
at he was 69 or 70 was 69 years old i

1664
01:22:06,709 --> 01:22:03,719
believe so hey did you ever share that

1665
01:22:09,680 --> 01:22:06,719
photo in the book with your friends that

1666
01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:09,690
were with you that day oh well no this

1667
01:22:12,890 --> 01:22:11,010
was a I mean that was in Southern

1668
01:22:17,180 --> 01:22:12,900
California this is 11 years later you

1669
01:22:20,660 --> 01:22:17,190
know I'm what 27 28 years old whatever

1670
01:22:23,629 --> 01:22:20,670
yeah um you know there I am and I think

1671
01:22:28,120 --> 01:22:23,639
I was 28 or 29 I'm in Manhattan working

1672
01:22:30,760 --> 01:22:28,130
for the FBI I'm you know so and I think

1673
01:22:34,850 --> 01:22:30,770
you know what's funny is I don't think

1674
01:22:36,470 --> 01:22:34,860
that I've actually been with any of the

1675
01:22:40,399 --> 01:22:36,480
folks that were on that disneyland trip

1676
01:22:42,500 --> 01:22:40,409
since then hmm I wonder why you were so

1677
01:22:44,810 --> 01:22:42,510
interested in this old guy that you ran

1678
01:22:47,180 --> 01:22:44,820
into did your friends they just thought

1679
01:22:48,830 --> 01:22:47,190
i was being you know a nice kid being

1680
01:22:51,560 --> 01:22:48,840
nice to the older gentleman

1681
01:22:52,940 --> 01:22:51,570
you know being nice to the old guy you

1682
01:22:54,260 --> 01:22:52,950
know in fact they said you know when I

1683
01:22:55,490 --> 01:22:54,270
give him the ticket AB were walking are

1684
01:22:57,230 --> 01:22:55,500
they going oh that was really nice of

1685
01:22:59,240 --> 01:22:57,240
you oh my god you know something just I

1686
01:23:03,080 --> 01:22:59,250
don't know I just and honestly I just

1687
01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:03,090
kind of felt compelled to do it and I

1688
01:23:08,720 --> 01:23:05,730
discussed that in the book that I

1689
01:23:14,480 --> 01:23:08,730
there's a certain certain interesting

1690
01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:14,490
thing possibly you know more to some

1691
01:23:21,740 --> 01:23:16,890
other thing it's you know the book gets

1692
01:23:24,980 --> 01:23:21,750
into the the resulting implications of

1693
01:23:28,430 --> 01:23:24,990
that simple act of me giving in my

1694
01:23:29,990 --> 01:23:28,440
ticket and it has to do with when

1695
01:23:34,250 --> 01:23:30,000
somebody comes from one of the other

1696
01:23:41,150 --> 01:23:34,260
realms and you just free willingly give

1697
01:23:44,780 --> 01:23:41,160
them a gift that they reward you mmm in

1698
01:23:47,120 --> 01:23:44,790
in certain ways that's really wild I had

1699
01:23:48,440 --> 01:23:47,130
it and I didn't notice at the time by

1700
01:23:52,880 --> 01:23:48,450
the way that's something that I learned

1701
01:23:54,950 --> 01:23:52,890
years later yeah yeah I had a strange

1702
01:23:58,040 --> 01:23:54,960
experience similar to that I won't get

1703
01:24:02,000 --> 01:23:58,050
into on this show but with a medicine

1704
01:24:05,650 --> 01:24:02,010
man in Oklahoma that I had given a gift

1705
01:24:08,390 --> 01:24:05,660
and then some really wild stuff happened

1706
01:24:10,370 --> 01:24:08,400
right that's usually what that's usually

1707
01:24:14,600 --> 01:24:10,380
what the reward is people think Oh

1708
01:24:18,680 --> 01:24:14,610
reward a pot of gold right I wish it was

1709
01:24:20,660 --> 01:24:18,690
it was a gold mine of experiences and it

1710
01:24:24,200 --> 01:24:20,670
was more like a door being open is the

1711
01:24:27,590 --> 01:24:24,210
reward I think we do have those times in

1712
01:24:30,890 --> 01:24:27,600
our lives you know where there are those

1713
01:24:33,800 --> 01:24:30,900
key moments that come into play that

1714
01:24:35,750 --> 01:24:33,810
sort of give us a little jump and it

1715
01:24:38,990 --> 01:24:35,760
seems that you know you said you were

1716
01:24:42,770 --> 01:24:39,000
just beginning to look into that the ley

1717
01:24:44,150 --> 01:24:42,780
line phenomenon and and then you come

1718
01:24:48,650 --> 01:24:44,160
across this book and of course you

1719
01:24:50,270 --> 01:24:48,660
recognize the gentleman and then I would

1720
01:24:51,530 --> 01:24:50,280
imagine that book yielded some

1721
01:24:55,280 --> 01:24:51,540
information to you that you probably

1722
01:24:57,910 --> 01:24:55,290
needed at the time um the interesting

1723
01:25:01,580 --> 01:24:57,920
thing was I looked through the book and

1724
01:25:02,630 --> 01:25:01,590
I never I never read it never read the

1725
01:25:05,000 --> 01:25:02,640
whole thing it was

1726
01:25:06,890 --> 01:25:05,010
I'll be honest with you my my intuition

1727
01:25:08,720 --> 01:25:06,900
told me that I learned everything I

1728
01:25:11,240 --> 01:25:08,730
needed to know it just that basically

1729
01:25:13,580 --> 01:25:11,250
what it was he was known for regarding

1730
01:25:15,770 --> 01:25:13,590
the ley lines and seeing his image I

1731
01:25:18,680 --> 01:25:15,780
think that was the purpose of me finding

1732
01:25:22,610 --> 01:25:18,690
that book somebody was telling me this

1733
01:25:26,270 --> 01:25:22,620
is Alfred this is the or or and I get

1734
01:25:30,290 --> 01:25:26,280
into this in the book or the the use of

1735
01:25:33,230 --> 01:25:30,300
the double was juxtaposed into my path

1736
01:25:36,380 --> 01:25:33,240
so that later I would when I came across

1737
01:25:38,660 --> 01:25:36,390
this book it would it would prompt me to

1738
01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:38,670
then subsequently investigate this

1739
01:25:45,590 --> 01:25:41,850
Disneyland mystery so you know even if

1740
01:25:50,810 --> 01:25:45,600
it wasn't Alfred himself it was somebody

1741
01:25:54,320 --> 01:25:50,820
or some thing moving some things around

1742
01:25:58,090 --> 01:25:54,330
to get me to write this book I have some

1743
01:26:01,340 --> 01:25:58,100
other theories that I will not go into

1744
01:26:04,130 --> 01:26:01,350
if you don't mind we're right you know

1745
01:26:05,930 --> 01:26:04,140
just down to the final two minutes or

1746
01:26:08,180 --> 01:26:05,940
less than two minutes of the show could

1747
01:26:10,700 --> 01:26:08,190
you just name some of your other books

1748
01:26:12,740 --> 01:26:10,710
and give us just a brief idea of what

1749
01:26:16,790 --> 01:26:12,750
those are about well you know about the

1750
01:26:18,200 --> 01:26:16,800
Empire the wheel trilogy yeah and uh was

1751
01:26:19,910 --> 01:26:18,210
even aspects we didn't even get into

1752
01:26:21,830 --> 01:26:19,920
little I think blow some minds

1753
01:26:24,890 --> 01:26:21,840
particularly the second one with at a

1754
01:26:26,420 --> 01:26:24,900
place and you know about the Disneyland

1755
01:26:28,940 --> 01:26:26,430
book latitude 33 well there's also

1756
01:26:31,760 --> 01:26:28,950
secret missions the hidden legacy of old

1757
01:26:35,030 --> 01:26:31,770
California and that one is my most

1758
01:26:38,540 --> 01:26:35,040
recent non-fiction book and that gets

1759
01:26:41,090 --> 01:26:38,550
into the truth about the Explorer 1

1760
01:26:43,370 --> 01:26:41,100
Cabrillo and why he came to California

1761
01:26:47,870 --> 01:26:43,380
what he was doing here and what his

1762
01:26:52,460 --> 01:26:47,880
identity in his his origin and his fate

1763
01:26:54,620 --> 01:26:52,470
actually were I think and it also gets

1764
01:26:58,010 --> 01:26:54,630
into the fact that he I believe was

1765
01:27:01,550 --> 01:26:58,020
looking his time his trip to California

1766
01:27:04,190 --> 01:27:01,560
had to do with in a medieval relic an

1767
01:27:07,790 --> 01:27:04,200
old relic that I think was being was

1768
01:27:09,800 --> 01:27:07,800
vaulted here in California and it gets

1769
01:27:11,830 --> 01:27:09,810
into some some interesting stuff

1770
01:27:13,750 --> 01:27:11,840
regarding the Templars in America

1771
01:27:15,430 --> 01:27:13,760
and all that so it's called super

1772
01:27:17,530 --> 01:27:15,440
missions the hidden legacy of old

1773
01:27:21,010 --> 01:27:17,540
California and I am presently working on

1774
01:27:23,830 --> 01:27:21,020
script missions to which I have not yet

1775
01:27:25,660 --> 01:27:23,840
revealed who and what that's about I've

1776
01:27:28,000 --> 01:27:25,670
only revealed part of the title its

1777
01:27:32,140 --> 01:27:28,010
secret missions to the Lost expedition

1778
01:27:34,270 --> 01:27:32,150
of and I leave it blank well Walter

1779
01:27:38,080 --> 01:27:34,280
Bosley thank you so much for joining us

1780
01:27:41,050 --> 01:27:38,090
tonight it's a great 90 minutes thank

1781
01:27:42,520 --> 01:27:41,060
you so much take care of everybody and I

1782
01:27:45,220 --> 01:27:42,530
hope you join us next week for another